Are GM Aussie management still living in a river in Egypt.

[Skylarking]

Yes it was a once in a life time deal. No ugly front bar nor the silly non functional "intakes".

A once in a lifetime deal was repeated in 2016/17 with the last of the Chevy SS’ which were discounted 20% off MSRP (IIRC).

Meanwhile, down under Holden jacked up the price of the last of their local vehicles while cheapening out by not having dual horns (a Hyundai Getz horn sounds more ballsy) and a bunch of other things that the Chevy SS had which Commodore didn’t.

 

[Immortality]

And reasonable people call it not being very familiar with the site. That
's how my quote ended up where it did.

Then maybe it's time you take a step back, learn something about the site (and our Commodores) before you trample on too many toes.

 

[Reacher]

A once in a lifetime deal was repeated in 2016/17 with the last of the Chevy SS’ which were discounted 20% off MSRP (IIRC).

Yeah and again the SS suffered from the nose heavy weight distribution when a Caprice based 4 door Chevy SS would have made sense as a replacement for the 4 door 94-96 Impala SS. Wildly better handling and braking and acceleration than the 94-96 SS and a LS Caprice would have had 50/50 WD.
The 94-96 SS had a 55/45 WD.

 

[Immortality]

See you know nothing about the Commodore and it's various models. The Chevy SS is based on the Commodore. Your beloved Caprice is the extended wheelbase version but was only ever made in small numbers when compared with the standard Commodore.

You should also be aware that GM as a whole didn't go for the 4 door performance sedan market and simply weren't interested in importing a performance 4 door sedan.

The Caprice police vehicle was specifically designed for the US market but was never widely picked up because many US police units had a "US built" only policy for vehicles even though our Holden designed car outperformed US made models in trials.

 

[Reacher]

See you know nothing about the Commodore and it's various models. The Chevy SS is based on the Commodore. Your beloved Caprice is the extended wheelbase version but was only ever made in small numbers when compared with the standard Commodore.

The "based on" shorter wheelbase made for an inferior performer. Ruined the WD.

You should also be aware that GM as a whole didn't go for the 4 door performance sedan market and simply weren't interested in importing a performance 4 door sedan.

Moronic comment with G8 and Chevy SS recently mentioned.

The Caprice police vehicle was specifically designed for the US market but was never widely picked up because many US police units had a "US built" only policy for vehicles even though our Holden designed car outperformed US made models in trials.

Another moronic comment.
15,000 US Caprice PPV's, all with a 50/50 WD, lots with LS engines, highly capable cars. 50/50 side to side too.

Please ask your members what they think about your comments.

 

[Immortality]

Most members here will know I'm correct.

There is a reason Holden no longer exists today.

You should head over to the Chevy SS forums, you'll do well there. We don't really cover your PPV model on our forum, it's an odd duck that was built for the US market.

 

[figjam]

Yes, I wish I did get a new GTO in 2004 for $19k

I was obviously ripped off by paying $56,790 drive away for a base model CV8.

Anyhow, after reading this thread today, I have learned something. Not sure what it is. My head hurts from spinning.

 

[Ginger Beer]

There is critiquing, and there is negative criticism

I think we have hit the latter

Everyone doesn't know everything

Critiquing is the correct way to do it, people learn from it in a polite informed manner

Negative criticism only creates angst and nothing is learnt

 

[Skylarking]

Yeah and again the SS suffered from the nose heavy weight distribution when a Caprice based 4 door Chevy SS would have made sense as a replacement for the 4 door 94-96 Impala SS. Wildly better handling and braking and acceleration than the 94-96 SS and a LS Caprice would have had 50/50 WD.
The 94-96 SS had a 55/45 WD.

The VF II sedan was an almost perfect front to rear weight distribution of 50:50 while the VF II Ute was @ 53:47 .

Kerb weight varied with the SS @ 1745 kg (a bit porky to say the least).

So let’s assume a kerb weight of 1800 kg as it’s a nice round number. The 3% difference only amounts to 54kg… and though kerb weigh includes a full tank of fuel and all liquids, it doesn’t include a driver…

But here’s the kicker, the average male American weight in at 198 pounds or 89 kgs.

If one worries about ideal weight distribution to such an extent, maybe you should start a petition so it’s against police policy for their members to eat donuts. As their circumference reduces, vehicle performance would increase while foot chases would improvement exponentially as police chase the “purps” further faster, longer

Jokes aside, if one wants to pick faults, pick the big one which is that 1800 kg kerb weight as it blunts performance excessively as compared to a 3 service BMW which is some 200kgs lighter… That 54kg extra on the vehicles nose just gets lost in that fat

PS: the VE was a huge improvement over previous generation commodores (except for that fat A pillar which creates dangerous blind spots unless you peek around it like a bobble doll). And the VF was an improvement on the VE (though some say a few things went backwards).

The following is a good read on the VE.

Holden Commodore VE feature - Development: classic MOTOR

From design to engineering and safety, this is everything you need to know about the development that went into the VE Commodore

www.whichcar.com.au

 

[Fu Manchu]

The "based on" shorter wheelbase made for an inferior performer. Ruined the WD.



Moronic comment with G8 and Chevy SS recently mentioned.



Another moronic comment.
15,000 US Caprice PPV's, all with a 50/50 WD, lots with LS engines, highly capable cars. 50/50 side to side too.

Please ask your members what they think about your comments.

I’ll tell you what we think. Take the previously recommended advice mate.