Brake booster software update - recall

[VS 5.0]

that will be a thing of the future

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it starts off small and then they all jump on the train and soon people will be subscribing to all sorts of functions of a vehicle.

Precisely my point.....just didn't have time to find the links.

What next...subscription to access the throttle pedal ?

 

[stooge]

What next...subscription to access the throttle pedal ?

subscribe for power(kw/hp) levels will definitely be a thing, they know certain people want more power so why not build in the power and then charge $xx per month to access it.

oh and you know ads in the infotainment system is coming, gps location pings you near kfc so your infotainment will pop an ad for kfc lol fun times ahead.

or from billboards you pass

Ford announces infotainment screens to show ads from local billboards

The Ford Motor Company has announced the passing of a patent for a new program that will draw information from the billboard ads surrounding the area where a Ford-manufactured car is driving and display segments of that data on the vehicle's infotainment display for the driver's viewing.

techxplore.com

 

[lmoengnr]

What next...subscription to access the throttle pedal ?

FFS don't give the automotive corporations any more ideas...

Airlines already pay 'power by the hour', if they want more thrust, they can rent a blanking cannon plug that plugs into the power management computer and uprates the engine's thrust.

 

[carcollector]

subscribe for power(kw/hp) levels will definitely be a thing, they know certain people want more power so why not build in the power and then charge $xx per month to access it.

oh and you know ads in the infotainment system is coming, gps location pings you near kfc so your infotainment will pop an ad for kfc lol fun times ahead.

or from billboards you pass

http://[URL]https://techxplore.com/news/2021-05-ford-infotainment-screens-ads-local.html

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Sounds a bit too much like Blade Runner.......

 

[Immortality]

the majority of the software issues in passenger aircraft were simply conditions that were not thought of during the development process.
the software on passenger aircraft goes through hundreds/thousands of hours worth of simulations and testing to be as robust as possible but sometimes things have and will slip through the cracks because with an aircraft you are dealing with an incredible amount of complexity along with the tripple redundancy systems modern aircraft have and that includes redundancy in the software too.
it is really not "cost saving" and more to do with something that is so complex you will never be able to predict every outcome.



ota updates are a simpler and quicker way of correcting issues missed during the development process and while it could save costs because it prevents the need for a physical return and update of the device.
just imagine if every time there was a problem found with your phone you would have to go to a dealer to get it repaired, the idea of ota was to streamline the update process to quickly address software issues and security vulnerabilities.
the quicker a zero day is patched the better

some of the most exploited systems on the internet are the ones where the consumer has disabled the ota update ability which is why you see so many companies these days removing the ability to disable the ota update process.

its not just software that suffers from issues after release, look at the mechanical side of things over the years where vehicles need recalls for mechanical problems, these may not be because of a cost saving measure but due to a defect on the production line.
a simple wire put in the wrong place or a tool not changed out enough etc, this sh!t happens all the time.

in pure software terms look at the gaming industry, i am sure you will have basic insight of the complexity of building a game particularly an online game like a mmorpg, these games usually take around 4 to 6 years to develop with both closed and open alpha, beta testing and yet without fail within the first few weeks of release exploits and bugs are found which require updates.
no amount of "time" will ever find all the bugs within complex software and if you have worked in software development you will know this, all one can do is do the best they can to find as much as they can and then release it and wait for the feedback.

i know what you are saying with cost cutting and yes that is always a factor because people want profit but it is not the only reason and it is not really faulty software because we can only find what we can.

for instance i recently developed a launcher for android tv devices because i got sick of the ads being forced on android tv, i tested the utter sh!t out of the app with multiple devices old and new, android api 17 through to 32, tv devices like the shield tv, chromecast, cheap chinese tv boxes, old phones, fold phones and even the android auto in the zb and everything was solid.
i released the app, people have purchased and all is well, no complaints and then one day i go to add a bluetooth controller in the shield tv and when i back out of the settings it duplicated all of the tiles on the launchers home screen... "fcuk" i go lol now i have to locate the issue and do an update.
this issue was not because i was trying to save cost or i did not test the app, it was because it took the condition of adding a bluetooth device to cause an app modified event on the android broadcast system that i was not expecting which caused my app to load the tiles again and this is what i mean by conditional bugs, i would never have thought that connecting a controller would trigger an app modified event and imo it shouldnt but it does and that is probably a bug with android.

i totally understand your concern too, the idea of a vehicle that can be manipulated via the internet does not sit well but with software development as it is could you imagine needing to take your "future" vehicle to the dealer every time there is an issue.
they could setup a manual update system where you the consumer download the fix to say a usb stick and apply it yourself but then what about the computer illiterate people or the ones that just have no interest in their vehicle apart from a to b, they could be driving with critical issues unpatched and again there is no way a manufacturer is going to find every flaw before release so what is the only option for the masses moving forward?
it has to be ota updates or recalls forcing people to return to dealer.
maybe an opt in option for ota but if you dont opt in you have to visit a dealer but even then there are/were still vehicles with the takata airbags on the roads years after the recall which demonstrates that people dont even pay attention to recalls.

IT at my missus work keeps doing that kind of ****. Someone will ask to have something added or modified but they don't think about what else it can effect and they don't bother testing it on the backup system and instead just add the patch on the live system only to discover later it has effected something else unintended. Worst part it sometimes they like to do that **** right at the end of the month and they screw **** up majorly effecting the role of the company accounts.

 

[carcollector]

I've just rear through the US site description of the fault, and my take on it is;

There is nothing inherently faulty with the vacuum assisted brake booster system (ie no widespread mechanical fault).

There is a backup safety system that is supposed to kick in if it senses that the vacuum assisted brake booster is faulty or not working as well as it should (eg due to a vacuum leak caused by a leaky vacuum hose).

The backup safety system is software based, and forces the hydraulic braking system to increase brake hydraulic pressure when the brakes are applied if it senses the vacuum assisted brake system is not working as well as it should.

The software that engages the backup safety system has a bug that means that it might not kick in, or might take too long to kick in.

Given that none of my previous (many many) cars would have had this backup safety system, I'm not overly concerned that my brakes will suddenly fail on my ZB.

 

[J_D 2.0]

I have no problem with ota updates that result in improvements (unintended issues aside).

The problem I have with them is the manufacturer removing functionality or changing to payment required to retain certain existing functions.

And they all do it because bricking something to get you to buy a new one is good for their bottom line!

I had this happen with the steering wheel I bought for my PS3. It is the Logitech one specifically made for Gran Turismo and it worked on fine on my PS4 initially when I upgraded to PS4.

Following “system updates” it was bricked to force me to buy a new steering wheel (apparently companies care about the environment, not). I ended up getting around it by buying an emulator module that fools the PS4 into letting the wheel work.

I still get to use the steering wheel I paid about $400 for by buying a $100 emulation box but not all the functionality works anymore as it had specific function buttons for the Gran Turismo games.

I shouldn’t have to spend $100 and downgrade my user experience to get around their planned obsolescence but companies get away with murder, especially when it comes to computers and software as politicians are still living in the vacuum tube age and wonder what this new fangled interwebs is about.

End rant.

 

[J_D 2.0]

Sometimes I think modern cars simply add complexity for the sake of it… Too many unnecessary features in modern cars…

More and more people are wising up to it as well. Older cars pre internet electronic emissions bullshite are becoming worth more money now as they are more reliable and aren’t pieces of shite that break down all the time or cost a bomb to fix.

 

[Skylarking]

oh and you know ads in the infotainment system is coming, gps location pings you near kfc so your infotainment will pop an ad for kfc lol fun times ahead.

or from billboards you pass

Ford announces infotainment screens to show ads from local billboards

The Ford Motor Company has announced the passing of a patent for a new program that will draw information from the billboard ads surrounding the area where a Ford-manufactured car is driving and display segments of that data on the vehicle's infotainment display for the driver's viewing.

techxplore.com

Considering video on the infotainment screen is illegal if it can be seen by the drivers, because of the distraction it can cause, one must wonder whether our regulators will jump on this and stop it dead in its tracks before it becomes yet another problem… .

If our regulators aren’t asleep at the wheel (captured), I’d expect such would be DOA… just like the Tesla video game shitfuckery… Seriously, you’d think the Tesla software guys would know better…

Tesla will shut off center console gaming while car is in motion [Updated]

Software updates shutting off the feature are in the process of being sent out.

arstechnica.com

 

[J_D 2.0]

Considering video on the infotainment screen is illegal if it can be seen by the drivers, because of the distraction it can cause, one must wonder whether our regulators will jump on this and stop it dead in its tracks before it becomes yet another problem… .

If our regulators aren’t asleep at the wheel (captured), I’d expect such would be DOA… just like the Tesla video game shitfuckery… Seriously, you’d think the Tesla software guys would know better…

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Your funny! Manufacturers can do whatever they want because our governments exist to please them and keep their directorship revolving door running smoothly.

If manufacturers want us to be bombarded with advertising in our cars the government will wave it through no questions asked!