Clocking bushes when lowering VF's.

[losh1971]

Back on topic if that's ok? I have a question about the HSV rear sway bar. Was it SH or new? Also would a Maloo one be a thicker one too? I have a bit of roll I think and wouldn't mind looking into stiffening up the rear end if I can. The prices are pretty exi though.

 

[RevNev]

And sitting back thinking about @Skylarking comment, the problem would be, Bridgestone have priced them too high for the competitors they are competing against.....So to try claw some market back, they have to constantly discount them to get there...

I have previously said, it's a marketting ploy to sell things by offering a discount, but you had the blinkers on.....Now you are repeating the same thing.

It's as simple as figuring out why products are constantly discounted to move and go from there, instead of having the blinkers on...

Let's get back your first ridiculous comment post #80 you said;

"To me, if a company has to regularly do a buy 3 get 1 free deal to sell a tyre, they can't be that good....They are doing it to move product rather than quality moving it..."

Without testing the RE003, you form the opinion they can't be that good a tyre on the basis of Bridgestone's marketing strategy.

When someone replaces their OEM Bridgestone RE050's with RE003's and they're 2 seconds faster on a track day, should we tell them the lap timing gear must be wrong on the basis of Bridgestone's marketing strategy, they can't be faster than the RE050's?

 

[Skylarking]

Let it go @revnev… no point flogging that part of the discussion.

I like my RE003’s

I‘d rather hear more about how your wagon is progressing with, iirc, new bushes, springs sway bars brakes and tyres… and presumably new shocks.

All bushes done? What more is planned? How does it drive and did you get the sway bar sorted (last I remember you were planning a back to back with different rates)?

 

[chrisp]

When someone replaces their OEM Bridgestone RE050's with RE003's and they're 2 seconds faster on a track day, should we tell them the lap timing gear must be wrong on the basis of Bridgestone's marketing strategy, they can't be faster than the RE050's?

I’ve been following this thread, so I can now answer that question (with my new found knowledge)… it all depends on whether they purchased those tyres on special (4 for 3) or not!

 

[RevNev]

Back on topic if that's ok? I have a question about the HSV rear sway bar. Was it SH or new? Also would a Maloo one be a thicker one too? I have a bit of roll I think and wouldn't mind looking into stiffening up the rear end if I can. The prices are pretty exi though.

In VF (Gen F), HSV retain the 24mm FE2 (SS, SV6) front sway bar. On the rear of the Maloo, HSV use a 16mm bar, FE2 is 12mm. On the wagon, HSV use a 14mm rear bar, FE2 is 12mm. I'm not sure what size rear bar HSV use on the sedans, but it's likely 18 or 20mm I believe. HSV increase the rear sway bar size to reduce understeer and make the car turn in better than the FE2 setup.

Holden have plenty of rear sway bars in stock in different sizes and trade price is around $89. They were showing 38 16mm bars in stock!

 

[losh1971]

In VF (Gen F), HSV retain the 24mm FE2 (SS, SV6) front sway bar. On the rear of the Maloo, HSV use a 16mm bar, FE2 is 12mm. On the wagon, HSV use a 14mm rear bar, FE2 is 12mm. I'm not sure what size rear bar HSV use on the sedans, but it's likely 18 or 20mm I believe. HSV increase the rear sway bar size to reduce understeer and make the car turn in better than the FE2 setup.

Holden have plenty of rear sway bars in stock in different sizes and trade price is around $89. They were showing 38 16mm bars in stock!

Thanks I'll have a search and see what the VE Maloo got. I will email Holden and see if they still have any Maloo bars for a VE and get a price. I won't get it for cost but the bloke I deal with is pretty good at looking after me.

 

[RevNev]

Thanks I'll have a search and see what the VE Maloo got. I will email Holden and see if they still have any Maloo bars for a VE and get a price. I won't get it for cost but the bloke I deal with is pretty good at looking after me.

I believe the VE Maloo rear sway bar is also 16mm. It's the base model VE V6 sedan rear bar size, VE/VF rear bars are all the same fitment except for VF2 Redline sedans.

 

[vc commodore]

Let's get back your first ridiculous comment post #80 you said;

"To me, if a company has to regularly do a buy 3 get 1 free deal to sell a tyre, they can't be that good....They are doing it to move product rather than quality moving it..."

Without testing the RE003, you form the opinion they can't be that good a tyre on the basis of Bridgestone's marketing strategy.

When someone replaces their OEM Bridgestone RE050's with RE003's and they're 2 seconds faster on a track day, should we tell them the lap timing gear must be wrong on the basis of Bridgestone's marketing strategy, they can't be faster than the RE050's?

Here we go again...Going back to lap times...

Explain why a modlite built in 2012 with street tyres will out do a 2015 to 2018 model with race rubber? And those street tyres weren't a buy 3 get one free deal either.

Bastardising prices constantly doesn't show product quality...That simple...And even if it was other brands, I'd be saying the exact same thing

 

[Immortality]

.... can't we just drop it and let this thread go back on topic?

 

[vc commodore]

Yes but marketing and product placement is a sad game often played.

Maybe the way to look at it is that Bridgestone knowingly overprices its tyres and catch’s a few suckers during the year but knows they must have frequent sales to move stock but they are happy to do just that.

It’s not a strategy I like but it’s something that some MBA specialising is the phycology of sales may be pushing at Bridgestone. Only Bridgestone know how effective their strategy is at selling their tyres at volume.

Sadly you can’t change the marketing strategy at Bridgestone and as you don't want to say which tyres is equal or better than the RE003’s at their cheaper price, fair enough, it’s all a moot point trying to find the best bang for bush tyres (which ain’t a problem for me as I wont need tyres for a while).

So to paraphrase all your posts by saying you don’t like Bridgestones sales and pricing strategy would have been sufficient and a few pages of posts would have been avoided

My personal choice of tyre isn't the next persons choice of tyre, so I won't throw that into the mix.

And trying to find an answer as to why they do what they do is what I have been trying to find out, rather than the blinkers on, race track crap thrown in....