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E-85 cold start problem

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Let's see, cooler intake charge, can run more timing, run more boost (in a FI setup).
What's 'real fuel'?
 

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Real fuel? probably what the v8 supercars use.... oh wait, that's e85.
 

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and they spend 1000s ds' and more to make it run at its peak on E-85 and not to mention the best mechanics going around , and there equipment they use well I don't think you find that at your local garage . V8 supercars are not on the same wave length to your standard out of factory car, so don't compare the two.

what im saying is why waste money on tuning it to E-85, what if you're running low on fuel and blow me Joe the servo don't sell it? so why bother . stick with the fuel which is available to all servo .
 

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Let's see, cooler intake charge, can run more timing, run more boost (in a FI setup).
What's 'real fuel'?
real fuel is Grapper home made 90% proof , that will make it ping .
 

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Isn't that ethanol?
damn all this time wasting money on grapper and I could of being drinking e85 for a $1.40 L
 

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and they spend 1000s ds' and more to make it run at its peak on E-85 and not to mention the best mechanics going around , and there equipment they use well I don't think you find that at your local garage . V8 supercars are not on the same wave length to your standard out of factory car, so don't compare the two.

what im saying is why waste money on tuning it to E-85, what if you're running low on fuel and blow me Joe the servo don't sell it? so why bother . stick with the fuel which is available to all servo .
Pretty sure the manufacturers spent thousands of dollars on developing the systems to run multiple fuels in "your standard out of the factory car".
I'm fairly certain they are close enough to the same for this debate, uses the same basic internal combustion engine (may be better balanced and tuned to run flat out).
This is why a "standard out of the factory car" is good, it will run on more than 1 fuel, the ecu figures out what fuel is currently being run and changes the tuning to suit.

damn all this time wasting money on grapper and I could of being drinking e85 for a $1.40 L
You could but i'm fairly certain that grain based ethanol tastes better than something made from whatever random organic material was used for e85 (and doesn't contain petrol)
 

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ok damn , so tell me or this guy why is his car not running on e85 properly , oh its just takes a bit longer to start .

and I wouldn't mind buying a v8 supercar engine for the same price as a factory motor . I think the supercars motor is more expensive than a whole statesman car is to buy out of the yard.
 

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and they spend 1000s ds' and more to make it run at its peak on E-85 and not to mention the best mechanics going around , and there equipment they use well I don't think you find that at your local garage . V8 supercars are not on the same wave length to your standard out of factory car, so don't compare the two.

what im saying is why waste money on tuning it to E-85, what if you're running low on fuel and blow me Joe the servo don't sell it? so why bother . stick with the fuel which is available to all servo .
They run a flex fuel sensor from factory, so fill up with what ever you want and the ECU will adjust timing, etc to suit.
Please try having some understanding of the topic your attempting to debate rather than spewing what ever rubbish pops into your head.
 

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Spot on.....what is with all this kurfudle over retunes for VF models is mind bogging....I also note the power and torque figures quoted are using 98 RON (PULP) for all variants of engines both 6's and 8's.....so I am totally confused as to why they would want to retune for E85 and another retune for 98 Ron....the only thing I can envisage their engines are clapped out/vintage...or they want to go from 0 to 100kmh in 2 seconds.
0-100 in 2 seconds would be nice.

Envisage, big word and you used it in the correct context. You deserve a gold star.
 

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and they spend 1000s ds' and more to make it run at its peak on E-85 and not to mention the best mechanics going around , and there equipment they use well I don't think you find that at your local garage . V8 supercars are not on the same wave length to your standard out of factory car, so don't compare the two.

what im saying is why waste money on tuning it to E-85, what if you're running low on fuel and blow me Joe the servo don't sell it? so why bother . stick with the fuel which is available to all servo .
The VF is flex fuel, so you can still use whatever fuel you like with a tune. Tuning does not remove the cars flex fuel ability.
 

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one_and_only2004;2661978. I haven't played with an SV6 tune wise yet but I've got one to try on next week said:
Sorry not trying take over thread but `one and only` can you let us know how you go.
Cheers Pete.
 

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Still so much misinformation & ignorance regarding E85, etc...
It's not that difficult, really!

Hotrod & JingleBells, if you don't like it (because you don't understand it?) then don't use it. Nuff said!
No need to suggest late model cars are "clapped out/vintage" due to your misunderstanding or lack of knowledge of the subject...

There are pros & cons to E85, just like most things in life.
For some people the pros outweigh the cons, for some they don't.

For me lack of availability (in my area) is the biggest problem. Unfortunately people spreading fear by talking foul about something they don't understand really doesn't help...
 
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