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Discussion in 'VR - VS' started by harrop.senator, Jan 27, 2017.

  1. harrop.senator

    harrop.senator Well-Known Member

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    I decided I might make some build threads while I hide in the air con today. So thought I'd stat with one of my favourite cars my VR series two hermitage grey senator.

    Owner: Hayden Collins

    Model: VR senator build 299

    Colour: hermitage grey / silver

    Body kit: senator two bonnets and boots one stock one with a hole and vn bulge .

    One boot with stock spoiler one with s pack bobtail.

    Engine Type: Holden 304 stroked/bored to 355

    Engine Mods: Harrop crank, gm rods , ARP rod holts , TRW - 5cc fly cut 383 Chevy pistons, hasting rings, king bearings, 286 h retarded 4 degrees, ported VN heads, moly pushrods, harrop single plane with 4 barrel throttle body and ls1 injectors.

    Power: mail order tune runs 340-360whp on dyno sheets across aus.

    Current form with banana manifold back on assuming 250whp

    Exhaust: genie headers , twin 2.5" hi flows , h pipe, x force res twin in twin out with balance port, redback twin in twin out muffler.

    Gearbox: 4hbd currently being rebuilt , beast reaction shell, billet servos, alto carbon wide band, alto red eagle added frictions, hd2 shift kit manualised 1-3 in drive responds normally, big pan , trans cooler etc.

    Was previously built n died from a broken accumulator spring .

    Diff: 3.08 hydratrak ATM. Have 3.7s waiting to go in and bw cone centre to machine and shim once registered.

    Brakes: c4 330's slotted front and rear braided brake lines Bendix pads. Needs more master cylinder.

    Suspension: pedders sports rider fronts , bilstein sprints rear , dobinson springs urethane bushes everywhere and strut brace. Will be putting bilsteins in front when money permits.

    Wheels/Tyres: 18x8.5 +15 meshies , vx as stickies ATM for pits .

    Interior: factory suede with viva LA mexico covers.

    Other mods: HDT head light covers , nardi steering wheel.

    Stereo: Kenwood head unit, dd 110w RMS per channel 4 channel, alpine type r 6.5" fronts , type g 6.5" rears, clarion monoblock twin kicker ex subwoofers.

    Future mods: respray , re fit the harrop intake once re registered ,bilstein front struts, larger rear sway bar, alpine head unit , bigger camshaft 306h or big solid still unsure. BBS style 5 wheels. Maybe hartges.


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    Very nice, I like, looks good . Sounds like with those mods it'd go quite nicely
     
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    It should go alright the original plan for it is to keep it very street able as I've got two v8's and the other ones planned to not be very streetable lol.

    This motor I bought in pieces un marked and a lot missing. Old owner apparently paid 10k early 2000's to have it built. Spun cylinder one and pulled it apart to go 383 and decided it was harder then the internet made it out to be.

    It has A LOT of compression so ended up wilding out bit more then planned lol.
     
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    Nice, yeah would like a similar engine for mine ,well hopefully one day, although I do like the come/ trickshift style manifolds just don't think come one is as suitable for street use and trickshift one is dam expensive.
    Yea bilstins are good, a little harsh but on a smooth road :)
    I was wondering about bigger sway bars ,just don't know where money is going to come from for it this year . Bigger front brakes will hopefully be one thing that doesn't but does need doing .
    What's the other v8
     
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    This understeers hard so will be looking at onlybreplacing the rear. When I rebuild the vy subframe I've got here and install the new diff I'll be stealing the custom 600-1000lbs/inch rear springs from my Mrs ute to trial as even with the bilsteins the 400lb dobinson rears are way to soft and squats hard on launch. Almost everything I own is on coilovers with 8kgs/10kg spring set ups you sit on the guards and all that flexes is the tyres. I can't stand how boat like this car is and one day I'll nail the suspension set up.

    Looking at building a boot rear subframe brace , tunnel brace and some chassis runner braces to stop it flexing.

    The harrop manifold isnt exactly a street friendly option either. Looked at the low rise dual plane pro comp . need to drill press the injector bosses and machine all surfaces as China as. But when looked at one in real life the alloy casting looks quite porous and I think would breakdown from glycol seepage over a few years. My manifolds flow band is 3000-7500 from memory but that's on a 304 and this does pull 6600 .

    Other v8's a Pontiac 400 was top end rebuilt to 67 judge specs with 10.6:1 with a 240 @ .050 camshaft big high rise ported ram air heads etc. Was before i knew as much engine theory. Well actually thats the motor that made me learn the hard way. Was doing it with an older mate who owns a few ponchos and he started it without me there. And hadn't compression tested it with new heads and cam wasn't big enough needed a few degrees pulled from it . Hydralocked breaking the cam in and killed two ringlands.

    The size cam i need to pull the compression off was going to be way to wild with todays fuel vs the leaded they had in the sixties.

    I've decided to put the emissions low comp 7.6:1 heads back on forged rods and slugs and I've got a 84? Mm holset hx55 to strap to the side of it. Waiting to finish some other projects first. Bought all new polyurethane bushes for it has new 15x8/10s with 265/295 mickeys adjustable drag ahocks and anti tramp bars and harnesses. Once I've finished buying the safety stuff like all new ball joints tie rods and the taxi barred roll cage then I'll start rebuilding the motor.
     
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    I didn't realise senators came out with manual window winders.
     
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    No idea what's going on in that photo just had to go and look in the car to see if their was a cover and someone had taken it off and put it there as a joke. Photos old and even im confused was in my senator folder on my PC lol.


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    Just saw a manual shifter surround obviously when I was filing everything on my PC I accidentally put a picture of someone's faker or lower spec one in my folder hahahahaha.

    But yeah being based on Berlin as I don't think they ever came out with manual winders. Why someone would swap a whole devonish interior n not do electric windows I don't know.

    Sorry for confusion
     
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    Just noticed it looks like a white side mirror on that other one too.
     
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    Wonder if club sport with optioned interior. Old boys vr maloo is POV pack as and other mates clubbies have been too but I hear that you could get a devonish option and hell his maloo doesn't even have electric mirrors!

    I'll leave it up there its probably less confusing then us laughing at it with no photo to go with. But yeah good spotting lol.
     
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    Yeah,didn't even notice that until I read posts. Yeah maloos were based on the standard ute so unless you ticked options you didn't get much . Don't think electric mirrors and windows were standard until vs ii . With mine second owner got aftermarket electric windows and I'm guessing fitted electric mirrors as housings weren't color coded when I bought it. But it had upgraded stereo and electric aerial.
    The roads must be good over there with the sort of suspension your running. I know mine struggles and you really feel it on crappy roads. Just last weekend went up to a quiet little coastal town and yeah a handful on crappy uneven and patchwork quilt sort of roads.
     
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    I live on acreage with some of the worst roads around I just like my cars to stick like **** to a blanket.

    I've got a drift / jap car background so comfortable suspension in my opinion is extremely over rated. Being able to throw street cars into normal corners in town at 80-100km/h isn't :D
     
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    Mates getting closer to having my transmission finished. I really cbf doing it so I've been ridiculously patient rather then offering to help to hurry it up lol.

    I cleaned out the case for him today hes hoping to start piecing it back together this weekend. All the drums are reloaded and clearanced. Done all the drilling for the repgrogram kit and has rebuilt the pump so getting close.

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    Hopefully this one lasts a little longer then the last. I'll paint it low gloss black 2k and fit a larger vt sump to it should look the goods.
     
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    8 months in the making love Jobs are always the slowest.... All back together n ready for paint.

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    Looking good. Slow progress is better than no progress.
     
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    Yeah it'll be a lot faster once I finish this n it sells. Never vinyl wrapping a car again lol.

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    Bit the bullet n buying the old boys Caprice n flogging the v6 off been saying no I'll just finish the senator for three years now n well I've always loved it lol.

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    Unknown cam seems 230 @ 050 ish quite lumpy. Big paceys, high flows , twin 2.5 mandrel mild needs a rear muffler badly though way to baity. It's pushing to hard on the stock stall so was detuned a little still idles at 50 once up to speed n drive but hahahahaha. Also has a dicky maf so it's only pushing 347rwhp at the moment. Comes with a 3200 or 3600 stall couldn't remember. Will be going minimum mafless and stall tune and contemplating a speed master cheapo manifold. Has all new shocks bushes and sl kings all round in the correct statesman rates.

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    He had a bit of a rage quit has had this couple years does month on week off and has worked on it a lot and hasn't finished it and he's done. He also sold the maloo to my mate were working on it now. He probably racked up 2000kms in the 4 years he owned it lol.

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