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JC Political Thread - For all things political Part 2

Discussion in 'The Pub' started by minux, Apr 4, 2011.

  1. figjam

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    Well, I'll be farnarkled with a feather! Plibersek has just ruled herself out of being the ALP Leader of the Opposition. Potatoes too hot to handle ????
     
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    And tonight's news tells us that Shorten is attempting to hinder Albanese'nomination. Isn't this the party that has been boasting of unity for the past six years? Sounds to me like Shorten, aided by the unions and extreme left of the party, have kept the screws on anybody speaking out against the party. Albo has already stated that the party needs to pull away from such strong leftist leanings and return the party to its roots. Joel Fitzgibbon, the Hunter local member, who held his seat but copped a huge loss of support, has also indicated the need to revisit the party's basic tenets.
     
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    Confused i thought Labor was a left wing party, that's why they were calling them a one stage the "new right", because they were becoming too much like Liberal.
     
  4. Reaper

    Reaper Tells it like it is.

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    In reality - The ALP repeatedly accused the LNP of moving to the radical right. There certainly was the biggest gap between the 2 for the first time in 20 years though. The movement was the ALP moving a long way left.

    So right now it's Albo putting his hand up and already starting to pave the way to dump a heap of policy starting with the franking credit oldies tax. Will be interesting times to see what else goes and also how Plibersek and if Bowen the architect of so much could pick himself out of this train wreck.
     
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    Calaber Nil Bastardo Carborundum

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    I reckon Bowen should keep a very low profile for a long time, but he won't. Too arrogant to ever accept that he was the architect of so much that was unacceptable to the electorate. He was an absolutely useless Immigration Minister, did nothing noteworthy as Treasurer and thought he could achieve a multitude of changes to the way our economy works and achieve an even larger surplus than the Libs. We'll, he was the only one who did and the public didn't buy it.
     
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    Hopefully Jim Chalmers runs, but the labor left is more powerful than the labor right, so even if he does he prolly won't win.
     
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    Typical... Create a financial addict and supply the meth (loans/currency). Want to leave, stop the drugs, leave it strung out. Just like the prostitution business model.

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    Greybull, British Steel's private equity owner, and a consortium of the firm's lenders managed to assemble a rescue package worth £30,000 ($38,000). The only problem is the funds were contingent on a match from the UK government. But the money fell through at the last minute as ministers judged that it would violate EU rules.

    The deal's biggest proponent, Theresa May's business secretary, Greg Clark, will now need to explain why he approved an earlier £120 million ($152 million) loan to help British Steel meet an EU environmental bill, but can't save the company from bankruptcy.

    As the FT explains in a video, the earlier bailout was required because under its previous owners, British Steel had used the EU's system of carbon-credit trading to raise money by selling excess credits then covering its short position at the beginning of the following year.

    But this year, the EU ruled that since the UK is leaving the bloc, its companies don't deserve any more credits, leaving the company on the hook for a massive bill.

    Unions in the UK have demanded that the government do something, while Labour Leader Jeremy Corbyn warned on Tuesday that the collapse of British Steel would be 'devastating'.

    https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019...lmaker-collapses-bankruptcy-iron-prices-climb
     
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    Anybody tired of this Chicken Little, we are in the USA.

    https://www.climatedepot.com/2019/0...o-conduct-climate-training-as-rare-snow-hits/

    Australian government pays Al Gore $320k to conduct climate training as rare snowfall hits

    Aussie Alan Jones: Taxpayers will fork out more than $320,000 for the Climate Week conference, where form US vice president Al Gore will “communicate the urgency of the climate crisis”.“It is not believable,” says Alan Jones, “that the Queensland government can be so awash with money as to bring this hypocrite Al Gore to Australia for a conference.“When so many important instruments of government are underfunded, when farmers can’t feed their cattle in Queensland, and $320,000 goes to waste on this shonk.”

    Jo Nova: Fittingly, The Gore effect strikes again. Snow fell in Queensland. (The last time it fell was 2015.)

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    Nearly 9 years ago, on December 14, 2009, at the UN Climate Change Conference in Copenhagen, Denmark, Al Gore predicted that the North Pole would be completely ice-free in 5 to 7 years, i.e., by 2014 to 2016(2:14 mark):



    “There is a 75% chance that the entire North Polar ice cap during . . . some of the summer months could be completely ice-free within the next five to seven years.”

    Not only has the North Pole or Arctic ice cap not melted, the figure below, from the National Snow and Ice Data Center, shows that the Arctic sea ice extent for May 2019 was a massive 4.70 million square miles (12.16 million sq. km.). The magenta line shows the 1981 to 2010 average sea ice extent for the month of May, which, as you can see for yourself, shows that Arctic sea ice has not diminished since 1981.

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    https://www.sgtreport.com/2019/06/a...-australian-govt-to-conduct-climate-training/
     
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    Don't take to much notice of what Alan Jones has to say. Check him out on Wikipedia. He has been successfully sued on many occasions. The high being $3.7 million.
     
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    Interesting conversation/interview.

     
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    Here is some interesting happening in Oregon State in the USA. Looks like the Liberal Marxists Socialist Labour Party (aka Deamoncrats) are on the hunt for tax money. Apparently, the Governor released the hounds on the lawmakers.

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    SALEM, Ore. (AP) — Republican state senators in Oregon continued to engage in a high-stakes game of brinksmanship Friday with Democratic lawmakers, remaining away from the capitol for the second day and threatening a lawsuit over a $500-per-day fine from the Senate president.

    Eleven Republican senators fled the Legislature -- and in some cases, the state -- to thwart the passage of a cap-and-trade proposal that would dramatically lower greenhouse gas emissions by 2050. The minority GOP caucus wants the plan to be sent to voters instead of being instituted by lawmakers -- but negotiations with Democrats collapsed, leading to the headline-grabbing walkout.

    State Police can force any senators they track down in Oregon into a patrol car to return them to the Capitol, although the agency said in a statement that it would use "polite communication" and patience to bring the rogue lawmakers back. Knopp confirmed that he was contacted by the state police, but he said he declined the superintendent's request to return back to the statehouse.

    https://www.13abc.com/content/news/511658282.html
     
  13. losh1971

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    Back to Australian politics, I don't get this. The other week Sunrise reported that house prices in Sydney and Melb are back on the rise. Yet today I see on MSN that prices are the worst they have ever been. Yet not two hours later I see a report that says Sydney and Melb property prices have stabilised?? WTF is the truth in all of this? I want prices to fall so we don't get out-bidded on a block of land that is clearly overpriced as happened already. We seriously need a block but I do not want to buy something and have it lose value 1 -2 years later.
     
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    I suspect the downturn has troughed (the opposite of peaked?) and is now stabilising at seriously reduced levels. In other words, they could be as low as they're going to be, they'll remain low for some time, then gradually start to climb again. There have been instances in Sydney and Melbourne auctions where prices have exceeded (comparatively low) expectations, and they "might" be an indication of an upturn, but are too few in number yet to positively indicate a trend yet.
     
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    Ahh that's what it is then Calaber. I'd like prices to drop in Tas. Trouble is we have a massive housing shortage that is continually driving up prices. We have building Co's that are sitting pretty with what looks like endless work ahead, thus the cost to build a standard 4 bedder is $350k plus land. Wife wants to buy land and build but I'm sceptical as I did this in Adelaide 12-14 years ago and the market slumped due to fairly high interest rates. We were lucky that we broke even when the house had to be sold, due to the ex-wife shooting through. I'd rather not pay big money and end up owing borrowing more than the property is worth.
    One good thing my council evaluation on the house I own with next to not much owing has increased $55k in the last 12 months
     
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    Honestly what is it with people thinking that when housing prices go up that it's a good thing ????

    It's all horseshit !, as how are the next generation meant to be able to purchase something stable in their life with such an unstable work place now. Home prices are just way out of control and I'd love to see them go way down an become far more affordable that all these greedy landlords building more rack em pack em apartment blocks that are basically making the younger generation sick.
     
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    Hearing you there VS. Four years ago you could buy a 4 bedder on a 1/4a block within 30mins of Launceston for $250k. Now those same houses are $400k. Its insane. We have by far the lowest wages in the country, yet property prices are now as expensive or more expensive than some mainland capital cities. A 4 bedder costs over $100k more over here than it costs to build the same house in say Adelaide or Melb.
     
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    Thing is with the house i built mostly myself, i needed it to go up in value by $50k from its last evaluation, as a year ago i couldn't have actually sold it for what it cost me. Right now i would break even but get nothing for the 100s of hours, interest and other costs i have put into it over the last six years.
     
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    The banks are the problem.They don't have the money but they make the loans. They lend to developers. They lend to whoever they can and that is what pushes up the prices.
     
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    Its a lot harder to borrow money now than it was 10 years ago. Over the last 12 months the way banks etc lend money, have been tightened up. Lenders are now obligated to really examine a person's ability to repay a loan before they approve it. The days of flippent lending are few and far between now. Budgets are carried out and the detail they want now compared to even just two years ago has really been upped. I went to the bank and found this out 9 months ago when i first looked into refinancing to buy a block.
     

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