Vibrating steering wheel

[Mags077]

You’ve not answered about what you meant with the wheels “wobbling” when it was on the hoist.

When the car was on the hoist they jacked up the front of the car so the front wheels were in the air. The car was started when the front wheels were in the air. I think the wheels had a very slight vibration but when the steering was turned slightly the vibration/ shaking of the wheels got worse. They told me that’s why my steering is vibrating.

 

[panhead]

Yeah, definitely sounds like you've got a broken bit, best to get one of those professional broken bit fixing people to look at it.






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[Mags077]

Yeah, definitely sounds like you've got a broken bit, best to get one of those professional broken bit fixing people to look at it.






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Cheers

 

[hademall]

Hi, I have a 2017 VF SS. I’ve had issues with vibrating steering wheel going side to side. It’s not constant. It can get slightly worse when slight turning of the steering wheel. Wheels and tyres balanced by 2 seperate tyre places. Wheels and tyres swapped around and still the same. The tyre place had my car on the hoist with car started and jacked the front up so front wheels were off the ground and with a slight turn of the steering wheel, the wheels wobbled side to side quickly like it was shaking. They said that this is not normal and it was a steering issue. The second place did the same and jacked the front up whilst on the hoist and it didn’t do it. Has anyone encountered this problem. Any help would be great? Thanks.

If it’s only done 60,000Ks I’d say it’s due to component damage rather than wear. Take it to a steering and suspension specialist.

 

[Mags077]

Cheers. Thanks for that. Will

If it’s only done 60,000Ks I’d say it’s due to component damage rather than wear. Take it to a steering and suspension specialist.

If it’s only done 60,000Ks I’d say it’s due to component damage rather than wear. Take it to a steering and suspension specialist.

do.

 

[lmoengnr]

Might be a weird problem with the electric steering rack.

 

[Skylarking]

Might be a weird problem with the electric steering rack.

+1

Steering wheel vibration can be caused by tyres, brakes, wheel bearings or suspension/steering gear being worn out but the mechanical side of this vehicle should be relatively easy to diagnose and correct (if there are issues). I assume to date no mechanical issues that have been found.

The problem with the VF is that the mechanical side of the steering could be 100% OK yet the electronic control system side has been known to do odd things. A shimmy that occurs when the steering wheel is turned with the engine running with the road wheel off the ground definitely seems to fit the scenario of a control system issue.

As such, I'd check the steering rack motor connectors are indeed gold plated. If the steering rack connectors are not gold plated , that could be a string indication that the EPS recall wasn't performed correctly. If that's the case I'd be questioning Holden why you don't have those gold pins and why it looks like the EPS recall wasn't done (the EPS rack recall was supposed to address this problem of connectors fretting corrosion and loss of steering assistance, the gold plated pins supposedly did just that).

Being that the control system may also have other issues, I'd get the vehicle system checked for any DTC's and also perform a (software) steering calibration to ensure the system at least thinks it's working correctly. Then assess it's behaviour.

Really, at 60,000 kms, I'd be making this issue Holden's problem as their product in this case seems defective and should be addressed by them under your ACL statutory warranty rights.... And if they accept this premis and correct if gratis, I'd then bill them for all your costs incurred to date chasing this issue.

Gotta start somewhere

 

[lmoengnr]

+1

Steering wheel vibration can be caused by tyres, brakes, wheel bearings or suspension/steering gear being worn out but the mechanical side of this vehicle should be relatively easy to diagnose and correct (if there are issues). I assume to date no mechanical issues that have been found.

The problem with the VF is that the mechanical side of the steering could be 100% OK yet the electronic control system side has been known to do odd things. A shimmy that occurs when the steering wheel is turned with the engine running with the road wheel off the ground definitely seems to fit the scenario of a control system issue.

As such, I'd check the steering rack motor connectors are indeed gold plated. If the steering rack connectors are not gold plated , that could be a string indication that the EPS recall wasn't performed correctly. If that's the case I'd be questioning Holden why you don't have those gold pins and why it looks like the EPS recall wasn't done (the EPS rack recall was supposed to address this problem of connectors fretting corrosion and loss of steering assistance, the gold plated pins supposedly did just that).

Being that the control system may also have other issues, I'd get the vehicle system checked for any DTC's and also perform a (software) steering calibration to ensure the system at least thinks it's working correctly. Then assess it's behaviour.

Really, at 60,000 kms, I'd be making this issue Holden's problem as their product in this case seems defective and should be addressed by them under your ACL statutory warranty rights.... And if they accept this premis and correct if gratis, I'd then bill them for all your costs incurred to date chasing this issue.

Gotta start somewhere

It's an MY17 model, so it shouldn't have been subjected to the recall (I hope they weren't using refurbished 'recall racks' in 2017).
Might be an entirely new problem, but I would start with checking the calibration on the steering angle sensor.

 

[Sam_100]

It's an MY17 model, so it shouldn't have been subjected to the recall (I hope they weren't using refurbished 'recall racks' in 2017).

Nothing would surprise me with Holden as they were getting closer to shutdown. A good example is the HVAC evaporator grommet with my Nov 16 build SV6. My understanding is that it should have had the rubber grommet when in fact it was fitted with the foam grommet as the latter was failing.

I would not be ruling out any component of the steering as the likely cause of this problem until it was checked out and confirmed as serviceable.

 

[Skylarking]

It's an MY17 model, so it shouldn't have been subjected to the recall (I hope they weren't using refurbished 'recall racks' in 2017).
Might be an entirely new problem, but I would start with checking the calibration on the steering angle sensor.

My opinion is that GM/Holden were slow at identifying and resolving the EPS assistance failure issue down under as I suspect costs were a concern considering the impending shutdown. So it wouldn’t surprise me if cost minimisation lead to recycling refurbished racks through the recall process in repairing used cars. I very much doubt they’d have installed refurbished racks in new cars going down the assembly line as doing such is just asking for trouble.

Unfortunately I still have doubt that all EPS control system failure modes and stability factors impacting the control system itself were fully captured and thus fully considered. I suspect it’s still an evolving design being that it doesn’t have 80+ years of history behind it which means current owners are between a rock and a hard place.

Control system theory is hard… just look at the Jas 39A Gripen crash of 1993 where they crashed in Stockholm itself after pilot induced oscillations