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[simo79]

Cheers for all your posts all very helpful.

sean88 - a particularly helpful post thank you. However I realise being a lawyer woud not help with mechanical advice hence me seeking others opinion on whether I should opt for the second hand motor or reconditioned motor. I would not have mentioned my occupation at all, I was only responding to a previous post.

It is not a bad dealer they have been around for 60 years in a relatively small town. never had any problems previously and never heard of any problems they could not survive if they did. I hink they have been caught out just like I have.

I know one of the mechanics there who has been away. He had checked the car over before I purchased he could not find anything wrong with it. It is the second one they have had the samething happen to in the last 2 weeks and never seen it before. The history of this car is it had all services done by the book but missed the last two. They think that when they cleaned out the old oil and put in the new good stuff it has messed things up and it has spun a bearing.

They are willing to put the second hand motor in, I think I just spoke to the wrong peson to begin with, as they believe it will be fine it comes with a 6 month warranty. I believe that is all they have to do. I have asked for a recon and said I will pay the difference of $600. I will wait for the mechanic who I know and trust to come back and put it in. I am in no real rush they have given me a late model BMW as a loan car until it is fixed.

Thanks

 

[festa1234]

just keep the bmw and call it even i reakon

 

[STEEV888]

just keep the bmw and call it even i reakon

haha yeah exactly what i was thinking.

 

[Dr HaxZaw]

hey man i had a similar experience about a month ago... only thing was it was the radiator that went after i had took it back to them saying it was leaking coolant and that the engine was using a ton of oil... they said it was alright till about 2 months later the radiator cracked and the engine blew after it overheated (not the whole way though heat gauge got about 3/4 of the way up)... they put a second hand engine in after they told me they were putting a reconditioned engine in (they denied this but then they would) and charged me $1700 with a new radiator!!!! that was after a $1000 good will offer (stupid bullshit excuses)... they dropped a second hand motor in but told me nothing about it... a month later i had to take it back cause all the seals had gone... tried to then tell me that the motor was in good nick even though the valley seals, front and rear main seals, water pump seals and exhaust gasket all had to be replaced... had a meeting with them and after a massive arguement got $1500 back... all i can say mate is dont pay for nothing and make sure they put the best of everything back in... and if in doubt take it to a good mechanic when you get it back and get them to check it... dealers are the pits as i have discovered so take them to the cleaners for everything you can get!!!

 

[Sean880]

Cheers for all your posts all very helpful.

It is not a bad dealer they have been around for 60 years in a relatively small town. never had any problems previously and never heard of any problems they could not survive if they did. I hink they have been caught out just like I have.

I know one of the mechanics there who has been away. He had checked the car over before I purchased he could not find anything wrong with it. It is the second one they have had the same thing happen to in the last 2 weeks and never seen it before. The history of this car is it had all services done by the book but missed the last two. They think that when they cleaned out the old oil and put in the new good stuff it has messed things up and it has spun a bearing.


Thanks

Simo

You always have to get vehicles checked by a competent independent. You would never rely on the advice of a mechanic employed by, contracted by or otherwise associated with the vendor. (You would not buy a house on the basis of a building inspection carried out by the Sales Agent.)

Any competent independent mechanic worth his salt would have advised you strongly not to purchase a vehicle with such a bad service history. Missing the last 2 scheduled services most likely means:

- the car has been neglected generally (there are plenty of clueless people out there that consider that they can delete mechanical servicing to save money and you just found out what that means in practice)
- almost certainly the engine oil in the vehicle had not been changed for 30,000 kms + and probably over 2 years which, as you found out, is catastrophic and usually terminal for any engine.

Lubrication is critical to the life of any engine which is why Commodore enthusiasts here that value there cars have their engine oil and other fluids changed frequently (like oil changes every 5000 kms or less). Oil that is left in an engine that long with those kms of operation (probably over 30,0000kms) will be so contaminated and deteriorated that it simply ceases to lubricate properly. There will also be a lot of sludge build up in the engine. The result of poor lubrication is that critical engine components like bearings, piston rings etc wear substantially and fail. (Neglect of servicing may also be indicative of an owner that does not even bother to check oil and fluid levels frequently between services which can mean that the oil level in the sump can drop below a critical level.)

You mentioned :

"They think that when they cleaned out the old oil and put in the new good stuff it has messed things up and it has spun a bearing"

This is the greatest load of BS I have heard in some time. It is just indicative of some of the brain dead types in the motor trade that will try to tell you anything and think everyone is stupid like they are.

The problem was the old oil was so badly deteriorated (because it was not changed as required) that it failed to lubricate the bearings properly and the critical bearings simply failed - which they always will without adequate lubrication. ( It is also possible that some of the bearing failure could have been contributed to by allowing the oil level in the engine to drop too low at some stage - resulting in inadequate lubrication. But you will never know if this also occurred).

Improving lubrication by removing the old deteriorated oil from the system and adding fresh oil will never cause or contribute to bearing failure. The damage had been well and truly done by then. The new oil only improved lubrication.

I was recently showed some pictures by a Holden dealer of the internals of a V6 engine from a late model Commodore. It was a corporate car that the custodian had failed to present for some scheduled services and the engine oil had not been changed for about 25000 km or more. The engine internals were a mess and the repair bill was many thousands of dollars. I won't bore people with other stories just like this.

As mentioned before, any competent independent mechanic would have advised you against buying the car upon seeing that there was evidence that critical scheduled services had been missed on the car. I expect he would also have picked up on engine issues.

A good service history is critical to buying a used car and if you don't have it you might just as well take your chances with your cash at the CASINO. So if you are looking at a used car without evidence of a complete and adequate service history, NEVER buy it.

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