Thanks there Hillerus, and Not_An_Abba_Fan, good to see some people are sticking up for us mechanics, oh, and sometimes just so you all know, when we "paly the blame game' that dont mean we are covering for something, like for example the ski boat i was working on a few weeks ago, simple tune up, however we found it to be running on 5 cyls, and no compression on 3,5,7. Turns out they had driven it with a stuffed water pump, so off came the heads and went to the reconditioners, 1 head completely u/s so we now had to wait 2 weeks for another head to arive, and be cleaned up, thats ok, no ones fault, however after we get the heads on, everything started, water flowing through system, well, we noticed that the head that wasnt replaced obviously hadnt been externaly crack tested, leaking from a crack on the outside of the head, no when we ring the customer and tell him the machine shop ****ed up because when crack testing the heads, they didnt do the outside, are we "playing the blame game" or simply being honest in letting you know why your boat isnt ready yet, as it is, we wore the labor costs of fitting the new head, it just the way we are, it wasnt the customers fault after all, so why should he have to pay for it - See not all of us are ****ed!