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Discussion in 'The Pub' started by Turd Ferguson, Jan 4, 2015.

  1. Turd Ferguson

    Turd Ferguson Donating Member

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    Going to make it illegal to park legally now. That'll show em.....

    Gotta to love the "Don't speed you wont get caught" brigade are jumping on this when what these people are doing doesn't have anything to do with speeding.
     
  2. immortality

    immortality Can't live without smoky bacon! Staff Member

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    It says a lot about speed cameras if people are not slowing down after so many thousands of fines are issued in those locations.

    Speed camera = fail at reducing speed.

    And the reason for this is simple, if you get caught speeding by a police officer you are fined on the spot at the time of the infringement. You tend to remember these events, speeding = ticket. A speed camera ticket that arrives in the mail 3 weeks later is just like an unexpected bill, a pain in the ass but no lesson learnt.

    I'll never tire of saying it. Speed cameras = revenue gathering!

    edit: Don't these mobile speed cameras have drivers?

    I did this more than 15 years ago here in NZ. I got flashed by a speed camera, yes I was speeding, however the speed camera was illegally parked and no park lights on (as was required by law back then). I did a U turn, parked up behind the speed camera with my high beams on as this guy had parked at the bottom of a hill not far past the fixed speed camera further up the same hill and had already flashed other cars. The missus wrote down the pertinent details, at the same time the driver turned on his parkers, inside light came on and we could see him frantically dialling someone on his mobile phone. We departed a few minutes later. I never got the ticket or any complaints from the cops about what I had done. Some years later the government changed the law with regard to how speed cameras are operated :(
     
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    FXST01 The Grey Man

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    The moment the copper catches you, you look down and see that you are indeed speeding, with a speed camera, you wonder if you were actually speeding and what did your speedo say. Plus you get a talking to as well from Mr Plod which you remember.
     
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    We, N.S.W. just had the lowest road toll since 1930 I think they said,

    and when the minister for roads was giving himself a mental happy/news conference,

    he not once attributed the low death toll to the safety features of modern cars, it was all "we fined them, we fined them, we fined them"

    and maybe if they looked at the fines and saw the average 10-20 kays over the speed limit was not the cause of death and speed zones need an update.

    Stop making us speedo watchers and criminals.
     
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    Exactly, all for active policing, getting a fine 2-4 weeks after the event get a , pfft , check written, moved on .......

    If they want to stop speeding put a polic car in a hi viz position and turn the blue and reds on, it'll slow people down in both directions for miles,

    Nice and cheap, You won't collect any revenue , but we're constantly told it's not about revenue.
     
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    Posting a Turd Ferguson thread
     
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    I am going against the grain so far here.

    I just don't understand why people have an issue with speed cameras. I personally don't find it particularly difficult maintaining a constant speed (aside from the idiot in front who can't, effecting my speed).

    No, I don't sit xx kms under the limit. I sit on the limit, in the left hand lane where ever possible. No one has to contribute to this claimed "revenue raising" activity. I certainly haven't in many years. When I did contribute, it was through no one else's fault but my own. I made the decision to no longer contribute.

    To those who cry about having to keep their eyes on the speedo for fear of being caught speeding thus creating a distraction from what is happening around them, I say perhaps you should reconsider the priviledge that has been handed to you by way of a driver's licence, proceed to the nearest police station and hand your licence in because you clearly aren't capable of satisfactorily controling a motor vehicle.

    To those that deliberately exceed a posted speed limit, tough titties. Your decision to do so. Don't have a sook when you get caught by whatever means.

    And Turd,

    While I understand you have a general hatred for the way our laws are enforced, this has everything to do with speeding. If people weren't getting snapped by the cameras (i.e. speeding), this issue would not exist.
     
  8. Turd Ferguson

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    In NSW the main issue people have is that these cameras are owned and run by private companies (Macquarie bank being one)
     
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    I don't care if the Queen owns them. Doesn't change my view.

    Having said that, reducing the amount of revenue to banks seems like an even greater incentive to not contribute.
     
  10. immortality

    immortality Can't live without smoky bacon! Staff Member

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    In theory I would agree, however vehicle speed does alter slightly unless you're driving along perfectly flat roads all the time. Momentarily exceeding the speed limit by a couple of km/h isn't dangerous what so ever yet here in NZ the speed cameras are placed specifically to catch people out in this exact scenario. This isn't saving lives no matter how you look at it.

    Where I live it's rather hilly, on the down hills I tend to let the car accelerate a touch knowing full well that with 10-15 seconds when I head back up hill this speed will be wiped off, I'm not speeding excessively and it's momentarily but yet they still place a speed camera in the dip on the road at this hill. Are they saving lives? No as this is not a high accident/injury zone, in fact no major accidents on this road since I have lived here and that is almost a decade now.

    BTW, the biggest speedsters on my street are cops, even with flashing lights (and sometimes sirens) they have speed restrictions on urban 50km/h speed zones and I am 100% confident that I have seen cops double this easily. We also have a blind corner/side street at the bottom of our street and I am surprised that we haven't had an accident there yet with the way the cops come down our street, I put this down to luck because there is no way that you could stop a car speeding on a down hill section like our street.

    To make matters worse, this Xmas season in NZ, speed tolerances were dropped to 1km/h over the posted speed limit and been enforced for the entire months of December and January. As it stands currently we have more than doubled the death toll of the Xmas/new years break period (16) compared to last year (7) and last year when they only enforced a 4km/h speed tolerance. Something isn't working and it doesn't add up. What does add up though is the increased number of motorists ticketed in the last month, drivers that would not have been ticketed this time last year. BTW, most of the serious death/injury accidents have not been via accidents involving speed, no the accidents have been caused by drivers doing stupid things, the worst one been some idiot in a Landrover doing a U turn in front of a 45 ton logging truck. 4 dead in the blink of an eye and a truck driver scared for life because some guy missed his turn off and decided to try and save time doing a U turn on a state highway just after an overtaking lane!

    In a thread I posted earlier I linked an article from the AA in NZ, even they are suggesting the police target areas with high accident rates with speed cameras instead of targeting vehicles on central motorways in Auckland, roads that are designed for this type of speed. Doesn't it say something when one of the leading advocates for road safety is suggesting the cops move cameras to where they would have a real effect! The article goes even further, even though the average speeds in NZ are down the number of tickets issues with speed cameras are up. We are speeding less yet getting ticketed more. This doesn't add up. Vehicles travelling marginally over the speed limit aren't the killers that the cops make then out to be but these are exactly what they are targeting with most speed cameras.

    Now, if instead of investing in speed cameras the money was invested in red light cameras I would be down in Wellington to shake the hand of the man who made the decision because targeting red light runners would definitely save lives and most likely pull in just as much revenue as I see it occur daily. Red light cameras also seem to have much more public support and yet this is not happening.

    I'll believe speed cameras are not revenue gathering devices when they are targeted specifically as a part of a much larger campaign by the police to reduce speeding and accidents on our road. That should include red light cameras, police enforcement out on the roads etc. All I see are speed cameras on our motorways. This tell me it's not about safety.

    BTW, they changed the rules about how speed cameras are operated here in NZ about a decade ago, before speed cameras weren't allowed to be hidden (they did do a hidden speed camera trial but found it didn't alter the speed of vehicles at all) and must have park lights on during the hours of darkness. This was all changed, now I believe the rule says the camera must be visible for 50 meters before you pass it. It is common to see speed camera vehicles hidden behind trees and other such manners in which you basically can't see it until just before you pass it. Effectively there is no way you can check your speed and slow down even if you were only just over the limit. To me this smacks of entrapment. If the purpose of speed cameras is to slow people down then the visual aspect of seeing the speed camera is to slow you down. If you can't see the damn thing then it's not really doing anything to slow people down, just take your picture and send you a fine. Again, not really working as a road safety device, just a revenue gathering one.

    I drive at the posted speed limit but I'm not going to feel guilty if the vehicle speed creeps up momentarily. Occasionally I speed intentionally like when overtaking another vehicle as this is the safest way to overtake. You want to spend the least amount of time on the wrong side of the road as possible. Isn't it funny though how it's not uncommon to see speed cameras at overtaking lanes in NZ. Sections of road specifically designed to overtake slow vehicles because on many on NZ's roads they are single lane carriage ways where you can get stuck behind a much slower vehicle for extended periods of time. Vehicles limited to lower speeds than other road vehicles and where it's not uncommon for drivers of said vehicles to be ignorant of the large queues of vehicles behind them. So in these scenarios, when a large queue of vehicles is waiting to pass a slower vehicle and it is safest to do so at a passing lane one would think the cops would not target these areas for speeding yet they do. So what happens instead, people are going to start to take bigger risks overtaking said slower vehicle when it is much less safe to do so because the cops are targeting speedsters at the wrong locations. Who is creating the hazard now? What makes this matter worse is that for some reason, people who tend to travel well below the speed limit tend to accelerate when they come to overtaking lanes.

    Why don't cops target those that travel well below the speed limit because they certainly are the cause of many accidents on the road. Oh, that's right, speed cameras only concentrate on vehicles that exceed the speed limit.

    Well, I think that about covers how well speed cameras are used to reduce speed and improve road safety here in NZ.
     
  11. Troy711

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    Putting the whole speed camera debate aside, these guys are just a bunch of wankers with too much time on their hands.
     
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    not once when i was driving in the US couple months ago did i ever look at my speedo. just went with the flow of traffic, which on the freeways was about 15-20mph over the limit. actually my brother even commented a few times that i was going too slow in the built up areas. im just use to the feel of 60kph...

    if they ticketed every speeder in hte US there would be riots year round, cities would burn. plus the police have better things to do then write tickets (like shooting unarmed people). here you dont even have to power to say no to a smart meter lol...

    got a ticket in the mail few months back for 58 in a 50, was like $180. in a 20 something year old commodore, who knows how accurate the speedo even is. you wonder how many people watch their clusters instead of scanning the surroundings and clean up a pram, or some fool that steps out in front. at the end of the day the govt has already had a taste of the free money, the only way your going to get it back is by prying it from their cold dead hands...
     
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    I've had two speeding camera tickets in 16 years. Both at the bottom hills. One was recent where i got a speed camera ticket for doing 58 at the bottom of a hill. Why do you suppose that they target the bottom hills other than a good place to pick up easy money.
    Revenue gathers and nothing more.
    For those that "have no problem with them" surely the epitome of stupidy is to continue to do something that isn't working?
     
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    anything that keeps money in my pocket and waste other peoples time doing is fine by me.
     
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    then don't speed and you won't get flashed

    you willingly and knowingly defy the posted speed but still say that speed cameras are revenue raisers

    then don't drive 1k over and you won't get flashed.

    maybe new zealanders can't drive, or they knowingly exceed the speed limit like you do.
     
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    Grennan Slayer of Stupid Threads

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    I really hate that we have become so focused on staring at our speedos than staring at the actual road.
     
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    I love that the roads minister is threatening to legislate against people doing it. So a camera parks on my street, will I no longer be able to park on my own street in case I am blocking it?
     
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    #### there are some narrow minded people about.

    I write 10 paragraphs and get quoted on 4 lines which are a complete misrepresentation of my entire rant.

    It's these narrow minded people who spend more time watching the speedo and less time the road that are a menace to the greater driving public. The type of people who drive below the speed limit and are constantly applying brakes and then accelerating which by the way wears out your brakes faster and uses more gas.

    I drive a car and go with the flow of traffic and occasionally check my speed. I like to pay attention to those areas where I am most likely to get killed and that is other drivers who can't follow simple road rules like stopping at a red light. My speed is safe and won't kill me, another driver on the other hand most certainly could in the blink of an eye and I'm much more likely to miss him if I'm watching my speedo like a nazi.

    And if you think I get a lot of speeding tickets then you are sorely mistaken.

    And why should I receive a speeding ticket for a speed that for 10 months of the year I would not. If you were to look at the deaths on our roads in the last weeks, more than double last year most were not speed related and if you check the article I linked in another thread about speed cameras it clearly shows our average speed is now lower so going by the wisdom that we are all speedsters (although less so now) there should be a corresponding drop in the number of deaths on the road if speed was the major cause of deaths on our roads. On these simple facts it is clear that speed isn't the primary cause because numbers don't lie so why target speeders if they aren't the major cause of road deaths when we are told over and over again that speed kills, simple because it's the easiest way to collect revenue.

    you know it's been proven that if you tell the same lie over and over again you will eventually believe it yourself. It certainly seems that that is the case when the authorities keep banging on about "speed kills" and many of the public as well. BTW, speed doesn't kill, it's the sudden stop that does :)
     
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    cruise control is a magnificent thing. besides any decent driver should be able to roughly tell when they are going too fast without having to look at the dash.

    not if you don't speed.
     
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    "roughly" going too fast? because every driver can identify that theyre doing 1km/h over the speed limit at any time? damn, you must be a pro!!
     

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