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Fu Manchu

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I’m going to leave this here. The things that float through this man’s head are mostly amazing.

Once again he sums up the diagnostics profession as a distinctly different field of skill from the rest of the industry.

Guns for hire to solve problems for workshops. That is the way.

 

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I’m going to leave this here. The things that float through this man’s head are mostly amazing.

Once again he sums up the diagnostics profession as a distinctly different field of skill from the rest of the industry.

Guns for hire to solve problems for workshops. That is the way.


For some of you I hate to spoil your fun (and profit) but there
is something coming down the pipe that will shock you (mechanics)
but will make the "Customer" jump for joy, and raise their hands
to Heaven and thank God for saving them from the rip-off merchants
in "the Industry".

A.I.

And while John Connor thinks it's a bad idea, I don't. (Well, I
do - but like the other "Customers" I am sick of being taken for
a ride by "professionals" who haven't got a clue, but charge for
that privilege anyway.)

For instance, you can read my recent write-up on removing a Sump
plug, to see how many solutions I uncovered to resolve my problem.
That included about a half-dozen or so in-person discussions with
"professionals" (in parts shops and garages) - and with pro's who
wanted their expensive "cut" in the process. [By the way, that
solution that I wrote up is also a solution for removing "frozen"
O2 sensors; rusted-on wheel nuts (say on old cars/trailers); and
so on.]

Anyway, back to the original point...


Yes; some/many/all of you will likely blacklist me from now on but
the point had to be said. You see, in older days everyone could
work on his own car, often with good advice from a "special" mate
who worked somewhere in the industry, or who was very cluey on how
to get the job/mods done well. You could be called on to help your
mate work on his car too. That process engendered good mateship,
in my opinion. Yes; I think I am talking about the kind of people
you find in this forum - smart and helpful. [Some of the noteable
mentions are: Fu Manchu, lout, The1 ?, acarmody, Brett_jjj, Morton,
Immortality, losh1971 (always makes me feel itchy for some reason),
bradcad, accentstencil, ephect, wortus, Jxfwsf, Lex, mpower, Cheap6,
BlackVXGTS, krusing, and a host of others.]

The modern engine... No; the modern car was designed as a cash cow
for the big car companies. There's your problem!!

Look at the complexity! Why? What is the end game, the outcome?
Less work on the engine? Cheaper components? Cheaper cars? Less
pollution? Safer? Less damage to environment to build them?
Better service outcomes? .... Nup. Nup, and nup!

I don't get it. Well; I mean I get it, but "it" can't be justified
by the reality.


For an interesting comparison, note the process and outcome in this
interesting video on EFI vs Carby...



[Consider "computers" as a kind of comparison. It used to be that
you had to get your nerdy mate to help out to set up your new PC, or
fix it when things went wrong. Now? Now you throw it away and get
another one. Now your phone does it all anyway. It's all "smart". Get the
drift here?]

When I say, A.I. is coming, it might be either via "diagnostics", OR
the car has in-built A.I., and may work out exactly what is wrong and
tell you/owner what to do to fix it. That kind of "smart". No more
mechanic-guy is the only one who "knows" the answer, and you have to
pay him a top price for the privilege.

Just sayin'...


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Who is going to physically test each circuit? Who will read the nuances in circuit info?

Theres no way AI can take on this role.

It’s not the engines that are complex. It’s the labyrinth of wiring, plugs, and networked computers.
 

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Who is going to physically test each circuit? Who will read the nuances in circuit info?

Theres no way AI can take on this role.

It’s not the engines that are complex. It’s the labyrinth of wiring, plugs, and networked computers.
Actually he is correct AI will play an important part of human evolution over the next 50 years.
But will it be able to plug into an older car and work out the issue? Possibly but that would require the car to be upgraded and probably no one is going to bother doing that.
But it will change how things are diagnosed and how we go about repairing them but it's going to come to the day when you will see and AI unit repairing another Ai unit and that eventually will be when a lot of jobs will disappear as well.
Just like the industrial revolutions, the moving assembly line and the computer revolution it's all going to happen with the AI revolution.
Wish I could be here in 50 years and see what has happened because 50 years ago now we just starting having colour TV and the first pong games came out, it's going to be a wild ride and I am slightly envious of it all.
 

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What I’m concerned with here is this is simply a thread created to highlight the why people get bad servicing from workshops/dealers and garages. Nothing more. If it turns into a **** show about AI, I’m deleting the thread and a valuable industry insight is lost.

It’s not a thread about future what ifs or maybes.

It is the way now that people can become hyper focused on topics. This is the social media way. Thanks algorithms. Then people engage others on that topic. Every engagement with someone else is turned to “the topic” they are into. It’s like induced mass neurodiversity. This is with politics, gardening, knitting, dogshit collecting, what ever. It’s why people are so easily manipulated now. Everyone has an extreme opinion because they are consistently exposed to extremes and what the algorithm sees.

Apply that to AI and there’s a problem. There isn’t data for it to feed off to properly diagnose a vehicle. It’s doesn’t exist. The diagnostic industry is only emerging as a specialised part of the automotive field (it’s taken 20 or 30 years).

Thread after thread online or Facebook about diagnostic issues with cars and the input is generally garbage for the solutions. Guesses and part swapping is what it all amounts to. AI is only going to draw on the garbage to solve a problem in a way that a muppet would anyway.

There is a very long way to go.

People will be the core of diagnostics for decades to come.

Let’s keep perspective. Let’s not get extreme. Let’s not engage everything we do online in a way that amplifies our media feeds.
 

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What I’m concerned with here is this is simply a thread created to highlight the why people get bad servicing from workshops/dealers and garages. Nothing more. If it turns into a **** show about AI, I’m deleting the thread and a valuable industry insight is lost.
I understand what you put the thread up for but it's just the tip of the iceberg. Technology has moved faster than what service/tehnicians/mechanics can/have been trained and with more and more people moving away from trades it's going to get worse for repairs before it gets better.
 
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