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Converted Camaro not as good as VF2

Discussion in 'VF Holden Commodore (2013 - 2017)' started by EternityDre, Nov 19, 2018.

  1. EternityDre

    EternityDre Well-Known Member

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    Reviews of the converted Camaro SS auto are starting to come in.
    Few comparisons to VF2 so hopefully that will keep this thread here..

    https://www.whichcar.com.au/reviews...Q9wnX4kLYV0ajMP6CQ7v6PK4oMEZNw17KItOwnhNJJRZA

    No doubt its a good car, but its getting mixed reviews, and its definitely not worth the money HSV are asking, especially when you consider in a couple of years when the next gen Camaro comes out in RHD it will tank.

    "Don’t expect the all-round dynamic polish delivered by the final run of VF Holdens: both the cars that came via Clayton, and the ones that didn’t. We always knew what we had was pretty special, and Camaro is taciturn proof. Maybe we need to accept that to move forward, sometimes you have to take a half-step back."

    Anyone actually considering getting a converted Camaro SS auto?

    For me, I'd love the Camaro SS 1LE in manual, but I'll wait until I can get it from factory in RHD, hopefully at a reasonable price.
     
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    Nope won't be paying silly money for one. Others may. Each to their own. Wait for RHD.
     
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    didnt even know that the next gen would be coming out RHD from the factory....

    Might look at replacing the ute when that happens
     
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    Nothing confirmed yet given its a few years away, but GM are #(&$@&^$#& if they don't start making RHD sports cars. Given recent communications from GM that the whole portfolio will become available to Australia, it's inevitable I think that eventually we'll get access to RHD cars including Cadillac. CTS-V is another great car I'd look at.
     
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    A new RHD 2 door V8 sports coupe ? No thanks, already got an old one to fit that.
     
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    Problem is the RHD market is really small, and they’re all about Volume Volume Volume.
    It’s really just us, the UK & South Africa; even if Japan buys a few, they’re happy to buy as many in LHD. So it’s really whether or not they deem the UK a market worth chasing, and it’s going to be hard to sell bottom-end quality in a 6+ litre engine’d to someone who pays so much for their fuel.
    I’m hoping they’ll do it; but I wouldn’t be super-duper surprised if they didn’t.

    Plus ... my initial interest in them has soured a bit, now I know it’s only really the automatic powertrain that eclipses anything about VF2.
    Is the next model a full new model, or a facelift?
     
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    Thing is, if you watch reviews from the US, US spec Camaro is amazing. The Alpha platform is better than VF2 (based on older Zeta). The Camaro SS 1LE with magnetic ride and a manual is MINT. The one that we're getting here is a Argentina spec (dregs) base model, no magnetic ride, no HUD, then converted to RHD.. I knew it would be a compromise but to hear it's fallen to the point where its not as nice as a VF2 is surprising.

    Also, I hear you, there's a chance next gen GM cars won't be RHD, that would be super lame. To answer your question, there's no details on next gen Camaro yet.
     
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    Hmm, good point about the suspension, I’d forgotten about that; if tuned right, that could be enough to make it a better drive.
     
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    Chinese market will be the largest in the world for luxury goods soon
     
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    A small production/local modification is never going to match factory designed and developed RHD and with that said if I was in the market for that style of car I'd buy a mustang. But everyone seems to bang on about the price, yes as a car it is overpriced for what it is as a final product but having recently taken a tour of HSV and seeing what goes into converting one of these cars and doing all that work at Aussie labour rates you can understand why the car is the price it is.
     
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    They’re LHD, so that won’t help us!
     
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    Lol oh yeah forgot
     
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    Yeah you are right, but the costs Ford put into designing and manufacturing the Mustang in RHD is big too. And the fact is the market is the market, you need to be competitive and offer a competitive car on multiple factors including price against the competitors. It’s simply just not $20k worth more car compared to the factory produced mustang. Also it’s last gen and here you can get new Mustang for less. There’s just no smart reason to buy one. Only if you want a Chevy Camaro, that would be the only reason. Literally the only reason would be “I want a Camaro”.
     
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    The way things are going we will be the Chinese market soon enough.
     
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    RHD conversions definitely ain't cheap regardless of the vehicle, make or model but in this case it's like over capitalising on your house.

    There will be some buyers who will just want one and the price won't matter but the bulk of buyers who'd like one won't see the value in it regardless of the fact its price reflects how much it costs to convert it.

    The Mustang is the better option and the extra saved could go into a Shelby package or some similar cheaper mod options.

    I'd only consider a converted Camaro if is started life as one of the fire breathing variants and not an entry level model and even then I'd probably give it a miss as not being worth it.




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    I had a look at the Chevrolet website, isn't it their "top spec but nothing special" model?
    So effectively an equivalent of an SSVR when there were HSV Commodores also for sale.

    I have wondered why they didn't start with something supercharged. Would have been something Mustang couldn't compete with, and might have been better rather than worse than their previous year's products at similar price. I'm guessing it wasn't fear of the end-result product cost, they've sold Commodores which were a dubious value-for-money proposition in the past; my guess is that the RHD engineering might have been too hard with intercooler piping etc … ?
     
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    100k supercharged camaro from HSV and they were selling 100k HSV Commodores last year seems a better fit to their standard practise and customer base something a lot more people would probably have considered.
     
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    Agree, bringing the base V8 model here seems a bit redundant. Given its limited numbers aimed at enthusiasts with more money than sense, bringing a higher spec car here would have made more sense IMO. If its already more expensive than Mustang, at least differentiate it. The new Mustang has magnetic ride and is meant to be much improved, so that makes the AU Camaro look even worse a proposition..
     
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    But that makes sense and Detroit seems to devoid of any form of sense.
     
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    And that was why HSV was so great in the old days (last year)... Competing with E63s and M5s for half the money. I guess the thinking now is that because Holden have nothing to offer performance wise in comparison that gap between Holden and HSV and those higher power outputs can be reduced now. Holden's 230kw Commodore and HSV's 330kw Camaro. Only works in Holden land though, start comparing to others and as we all know now.
     

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