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Deep Pan & Wide Mouth V8 A6

Discussion in 'VE Holden Commodore (2006 - 2013)' started by PIR4TE, Sep 4, 2013.

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    Yeah same 6L80, that post above was lifted directly from the GM installation Guide. Did post the .pdf and other details somewhere in this haystack.
     
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    OK think you are right, found a reference that the 6L80 may have that feature. Have to give that a try see if it make any difference. Also came across this gem that came out in 2016 that I had not seen before. Seems the flares are normal and nothing to be fixed. Yea right.

    #PIP5429: 2-3 UPSHIFT SLIP OR FLARE (OCT 10, 2016)


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    Well I started this, I took the rubber bung fill plug out first just to playing around and fluid came pouring out :eek:

    When I undid the sump bolt (fill check?) fluid poured out for a good 5 Liters and only then began to trickle, which I thought was the test for fill?

    With the pan and everything out I caught 9 liters total.

    I had the car level for about 3 weeks without start and the battery unplugged, would this impact anything? Holden would have been last to service this (if ever?) 80,000Kms 2008 SS
     
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    Near 12 litres (11 3/4) from drained but you may have some retained in converter and elsewhere. Is why the specific method and temp. But yeah looks like was too low, pics of colour?
     
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    Huh, I was thinking overfill when it came out the fill bung - it was stone cold so I guess it would all be sitting in the bottom?

    PIC https://imgur.com/a/35QHx

    I only bought 8L of dex6, think ill got get 2 more liters tomorrow to be safe (its the same stuff for power steering yea? so no real waste if I get too much).

    So I think my method tomorrow will be:
    - Pump in 10L Dex6, lower car
    - bring it to temp through engineering mode (50c?)
    - raise car level and pull out sump bolt and look for steady trickle (fill / empty based on outcome).

    The guide I went off says to pull sump plug after filling (before heating) to try get trickle but that seems wrong as it will just dump it all out again yea?

    EDIT:

    GR8 boards are saying 8qts (7.5L) pretty consistently for this mod on the refill - not sure why 9L came out of my stock then?
     
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    Definitely do not take it to 50°C. That is the upper limit, between 30-50°c ok!

    I don’t use that for power steering but maybe fine, sorry don’t know.
     
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    All done.

    took 9.6L, still think i was overfilled based on what came out of stock pan.

    I found it helped to have a cheap magnet level https://imgur.com/a/nlFvX[​IMG]

    Eyeballing level was way off, for me it was at least another 2" up in the rear to get level on the sump.
     
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    Any Aussie retailers that sell this as a kit?
     
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    Yeah this bloke, possibly the best in the business.
     
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    Having a bit of a hard time researching which pans and filters are suitable. It seems the pan and filter kit to suit Camaro from Pace Performance is the simplest option. But where can future filters go suit be sourced from?

    I also like the B&M alloy deep pan, but googling has come up with nothing with regards to which filters suit it. Would it be the same as the camaro pan?

    This is the B&M pan. https://www.enginemaster.com.au/b-m-deep-alloy-transmission-pan-bm70391-suit-gm-6l

    All I want is the best option to suit, with future filters easy to come by.
     
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    Just saw this reply now. Must have come through as I typed my previous reply.

    I just sent them an enquiry, will see what he comes back with!
     
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    I believe ppl just get them from supercheap? its standard in the hsv?
     
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    Ok so a bit more research on these pans and filters.

    Sureshift as recommended by Monstar sells the standard Camaro pan and filter on eBay for $345 delivered which they claim adds around 1L capacity over standard VE 6l80.
    https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https://www.ebay.com.au/ulk/itm/192310578127

    Also available on eBay is the B&M pan, which is alloy and finned for strength and cooling.
    B&M claims this pan adds 1.8qt (1.7L) over stock CAMARO pan, so it seems like 2.7L over stock VE pan. These sell from $375 on eBay
    https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https://www.ebay.com.au/ulk/itm/152392981213

    After reading the installation PDF on the B&M site, they recommend using a new filter of gm part number 24236931, which appears to be standard Camaro filter.

    I’m really unsure as to which way to go now. The B&M unit looks great and not THAT much dearer than the sureshift Camaro pan. However, the Camaro pan is much cheaper if getting direct from the states.
     
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    If you’re sure about the B&M (there are others) then yeah either Camaro (6l80 normal) filter else the 6L90 widemouth, which is available from various AU parts people.
    I think both are deeper than the (6L80 short) in our stock pan.
     
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    Sorry to keep bombarding you with questions! Haha

    2 more then I’m really done ok!

    Does the filter need to touch the bottom of the pan? Or is that not necessary?

    Is it possible the B&M could be too much capacity and keep the oil too cool and not allow it to warm up enough? I monitored my trans temps last night on a 100km journey, the max temp reached during hilly sections was 84c then on level ground and very easy cruising it dropped to around 75, even as low as 70c right at the end of the 100km.

    90% of my driving is this journey as it’s my work route.

    I do recall towing my caravan on a hot day and trans temps were 100+ I believe 106c was maybe the maximum it reached while hill climbing. I hardly ever tow the caravan though.
     
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    @mike_nofx it depends if you want to keep it or sell it. Heat is managed by the controller, will work better with more fluid and less chance of cooking it.
    That’s what it’s about, proper operation, longevity and reduced risk of starvation or cooking the fluid.
    I’d definitely get the bigger than Camaro pan, because I know it extends the life of the trans.
     
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    I do plan to keep it. The Falcon wagon I previously had that this replaced had 380k on it.

    My SS has 180k on it now. Another 200k on it would be nice!
     
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    I'm assuming PIR4TE is now Monstar?

    searching for the filter part number on ebay returns this result:
    https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/TRANSMI...483054?hash=item1edd84be2e:g:KyoAAOSwTM5YuM1w

    It should be the right filter for the deep pan I take it? same as Holden Colorado. Would be handy, and very cheap.

    I called Repco for a price for a HSV filter.... $139, wtf??
     
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    That other bloke went mad, had to shoot him :confused: (ixnay on la hombré - less said the better).
    I wouldn’t pay more than $100 for it, but versus say spend on brake rotors or fancy pad compound this thing guards against damage to $5000 component. Only done every 50-60k km.
    Yeah anything HSV is priced to make a Holden owner chuckle :p
     
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