Holden No Longer Australia #1 Car!!

[NIXONLS1]

Have half you ########s bagging the Mazda ever been in one? They are a great little car and **** all over the commodore finish and quality wise. Maybe if Holden didn't make such a **** small car they would still be on top. So sick of the narrow minded commodore freaks that think owning a different brand car is 'un Australian'.

 

[tonza]

Would definitely go for a Mazda 3. A few mates have had/have them, and they do get along alright with a few mods. For what i use a car for, just driving, they woul be ideal.
A lot of people are downgrading these days due to petrol, rego etc, so why not.
Also them MP5's get a long pretty damn nicely too

 

[Sabbath']

^^^^ who gives a ####ing rats arse about the specs???? Are you after the record for irrelevant posts in a single thread or what?

Reaper

I was thinking the same thing Reap. Reading through and seeing post after post of irrelevent spec's being posted. Most people who go to buy a new car and choose a Mazda3 over a Commodore arent going to give two shits that the VE has Forged Powdered Metal Con-rods...as a matter of fact, i dont even care that they do.

 

[GTS-Replica]

The only rice i like is mazda rx3 and skylines r33 ftw besides that i am raceist with jap cars.

 

[Daggy082]

Specs dont show build quality, Ride or anything like that. So you cant base a judgement on that...

 

[Krisp]

well the 3.8 1990 vn is pulling 9.3 litres per 100km, mostly city kms , when it gets on the open road sits on around 7 litres per 100 km at 110km/hr. not bad for a greenfoam tune considering the race cam and the 1300 rpm idle

 

[M1LMO3]

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[showbags]

Holden has got nothing on Mazda for built quality, fit and finish or ergonomics. And have a look at how well they hold their resale value. A 2006 Mazda 3 is still going for $20k+ in car yards. How much is a VZ Executive?

 

[DAKSTER]

Mazda3
SP25 Sedan
With all the luxuries one could ask for, such as Bi-Xenon headlamps, leather seat trim, smart keyless entry and push button start, SP25 is one seriously sporty car. Standard with a 122kW 2.5-litre engine, SP25’s high performance is a perfect match for it striking looks.
Engine 2,488 cc
Max Power 122 kW @ 6,000 rpm
Max Torque 227 Nm @ 4,000 rpm
Fuel Consumption From 8.6 litres per 100km


Mazda3
SP20 SKYACTIV Sedan
With its SKYACTIV-G engine and SKYACTIV-Drive 6-speed automatic transmission, the new SP20 SKYACTIV produces a class leading fuel economy and 113kW of power. Also available in a Luxury option (as shown) with all the trimmings, SP20 SKYACTIV is one serious package.
Engine 1,998 cc
Max Power 113 kW @ 6,000 rpm
Max Torque 194 Nm @ 4,100 rpm
Fuel Consumption From 6.1 litres per 100km


VS


Alloytec V6

More aggressive pedal map for a livelier and more responsive launch feel. New variable intake manifolds on both engines to increase peak power and peak torque. New 7.7mm inverted tooth chain and newly-tuned harmonic balancer to reduce drive noise. New diecast oil pan isolates driver from noise and vibration. New Bosch E77 engine control system with digital sensors for crank and camshaft positions. Front and rear oxygen sensors provide better cold start and cold running performance and assist fuel economy. New engine covers feature acoustic insulation. High Output Alloytec matched to dual exhaust with dual outlets. Alloytec matched to single exhaust with single outlet. Internal muffler design and resonators for improved noise quality.

3.6L 60-degree Double Overhead Cam V6 with 4 valves per cylinder. Twin knock control sensors with individual cylinder adaptive control. On-board diagnostics. Continuously variable camshaft phasing for inlet cams. Variable Intake Manifold (VIM). High energy distributorless ignition. Solid state, voltage-driven Direct Fire ignition, coil-on-plug with on-board igniter.

Additional features: Four-cam continuously variable cam phasing. Pressure-actuated piston cooling jets. Torque-based engine management system. Secondary throat cut inlet ports. Internal front cover damper plates.

Cylinders: 60-degree V6
Capacity: 3564 cc
Bore x Stroke (mm): 94 x 85.6
Induction: Sequential fuel injection.
Valvetrain: Double Overhead Cam, 4 valves / cylinder.
Throttle body diameter: mm
Compression ratio: 10.2 : 1
Maximum power: 180 kW @ 6000 rpm
Maximum torque: 330 Nm @ 2600 rpm
Redline / Cutout: / rpm
Recommended Fuel: 91 Octane (ULP)
Construction
Block: Sand-cast aluminium with cast iron bore liners
Cylinder Head: Semi-permanent mould aluminium
Intake Manifold: Aluminium
Exhaust manifold: High-silicon moly ductile iron
Pistons: Aluminium, polymer-coated skirts, full-floating wristpins
Crankshaft: Forged steel
Camshaft: Cast nodular iron
Connecting rods: Forged powdered metal

Alloytec V6 Dual Fuel (LPG)

As per above, except on LPG.

Maximum power: 175 kW @ 6000 rpm
Maximum torque: 325 Nm @ 2600 rpm

Alloytec 195 High Output V6

3.6L 60-degree Double Overhead Cam V6 with 4 valves per cylinder. Twin knock control sensors with individual cylinder adaptive control. On-board diagnostics. Continuously variable camshaft phasing for inlet and exhaust cams. Variable Intake Manifold (VIM). High energy distributorless ignition. Solid state, voltage-driven Direct Fire ignition, coil-on-plug with on-board igniter.

Maximum power: 195 kW @ 6500 rpm
Maximum torque: 340 Nm @ 2600 rpm

Engine Control Unit (ECU) Details

ECU - Bosch E77

LF1 3.0L SIDI V6


Maximum power: 190 kW @ 6700 rpm
Maximum torque: 290 Nm @ 2900 rpm

Engine Control Unit (ECU) Details

ECU -

LLT 3.6L SIDI V6

Maximum power: 210 kW @ 6400 rpm
Maximum torque: 350 Nm @ 2900 rpm

Engine Control Unit (ECU) Details

ECU -

L98 Gen IV 6.0L V8

6.0L 90-degree OHV V8. Cross flow cylinder heads. Twin knock-control sensors. Onboard diagnostics. Central plenum with individual symmetrical runners. High energy, distributorless ignition. Solid state Direct Fire ignition, coil near plug with integrated igniter. Performance-oriented calibration. Matched to 2.25-inch dual stainless steel exhaust with quad outlets. New single-piece engine cover with acoustic insulation.

Cylinders: V8
Capacity: 5967 cc
Bore x Stroke (mm): 101.6mm x 92.0mm
Induction: Multiport fuel injection.
Valvetrain: Overhead valves, pushrods, 2 valves / cylinder.
Compression ratio: 10.4 : 1
Maximum power: 270 kW @ 5700 rpm
Maximum torque: 530 Nm @ 4400 rpm
Redline / Cutout:
Recommended Fuel: 98 Octane (PULP)
Construction
Block: Cast aluminium with cast in place iron bore liners
Cylinder Head: Cast aluminium
Intake Manifold: Multi piece welded composite
Exhaust manifold: Nodular cast iron
Pistons: Cast aluminium alloy
Crankshaft: Cast nodular iron
Camshaft: Billet steel
Connecting rods: Forged powdered metal

Just the facts.

Hmmm and you are assuming the Mazda engine doesnt have any of that?
You havent mentioned fuel consumption.. or ANY other facts about the Holden apart from engine specs.

If you are trying to prove the Holden has more power, you win. The Mazda is surprisingly heavy at 1400kg too. Either of my Kias would eat it

If being the faster car makes the Holden the more superior car, then it is. Of course, thats not how you measure car quality... is it? I'b be looking at more details than which one goes faster..

 

[Reaper]

Holden has got nothing on Mazda for built quality, fit and finish or ergonomics. And have a look at how well they hold their resale value. A 2006 Mazda 3 is still going for $20k+ in car yards. How much is a VZ Executive?

I beg to differ on the items of quality, fit, finish and ergonomics but they are all largely subjective measures. Resale is a very different issue and the first 4 measures are only a minor consideration when compared to the demographic of sales. Mazda 3's are generally bought by the drivers themselves who tend to hold onto their cars for longer periods where the Commodore is generally bought by fleets/companies which turn their cars over ever 1 - 3 years thus the early life supply of used cars is way higher for the Commodore. Not to mention that back in the VZ's day they were outsold the 3 by a ton. Mind you - if you are paying $20k for a 6 - 7 yo Mazda 3, you are being severely fleeced. A brand new Mazda 3 can be had for $21.5 K 2011 Mazda Run Out Special Offers: Mazda 3. Or are we being a bit generous with our facts here :rofl:

Reaper