JC Political Thread - For all things political Part 2

Gimme a break Rufys, thinking Pickering is unbiased shows exactly the personal bias coming through that I was talking about.

"The Guardian on-line is in league with the ABC and often carries out “dirty work” a public broadcaster cannot be seen to be involved in."

"It appears Fairfax and the ABC’s gopher, The Guardian on-line, are determined to break Morrison’s record of no boats. "

The guy needs a tin foil cap!


"If the rabid Left is not responsible for the “India” ruse and not in contact with the illegal immigrants why then, up until yesterday, was it reporting the boat had departed from India?"

Certainly sounds like a left leaning person, eh? "Rabid left" that he supposedly belongs to? You make me lol! Talk about foot in mouth.

 

I said "traditionally".

Hello, hello, anybody home? Think McFly, think.

 

So what do you really mean then? Traditionally he was but now he's decided to step over to the extreme right just to see what the grass is like on the other side of the fence? Where does he stand, it's nowhere near the left, is it? So why say it?

 

*sigh* I give up.

 

You may be wiser than I took you for.

 

The same could be said about you.

 

VR

That was a pretty silly statement you made - the one highlighted by Jester in post no 6586.

Of course conservatives will see views opposing theirs as biased. I suspect that you, as a leftist, won't feel that way about the views expressed by the ABC because they are generally in accord with your own views. You, on the other hand, possibly feel exactly the same way about conservative-supporting media such as the Australian or Daily Telegraph, whilst conservatives won't feel their reporting is biased. It's human nature and the ability of the media to sway and influence public opinion is a powerful weapon which the media outlets harvest to maximum effect.

None of us, left or right, can say honestly that our media is totally impartial. It's not. Attempts by any of us to defend the media as being impartial are hollow and pointless.

Perhaps the only thing we can all agree on is that there are certain media personalities who are so totally biased that their views should be discounted. Alan Jones and Andrew Bolt, both fierce conservatives, come readily to mind. I'm conservative, but I can't tolerate the sort of total bias those two demonstrate - I look for a balance in reporting - they don't give it. I suppose, with a bit of thought, I could also suggest some equally biased leftist supporting media personalities whom I can equally discount. Peter Fitzgerald of the Fairfax group perhaps - a strong republican and fierce leftist IMO. I don't believe his views are balanced either.

 

Ricky Muir splits from PUP to help block carbon tax debate move in Senate

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nat...e-move-in-senate/story-e6frg6xf-1226982737232


Just when you thought this guy couldn't be anymore pathetic.. AMEP should not have a senate seat with 0.54% of the vote, time for reform.

 

You must get a real kick out of seeing yourself in a mirror

 

Why? There's no fail in any of my mirrors. I'm not you after all.

 

Yes, I'm well aware that I may have bias. The point was there have been studies done and they don't uphold the bias that conservatives( or the lefties that complain about bias) see in the ABC. I would be saying the same thing to those lefties, you are letting your own personal bias override what you are listening to and seeing bias where none was intended.

@Calaber
I don't read any of the "opinion" writers from either side, I prefer straight out facts so as to make up my own mind. They are rarely worth listening to, you should have included Bob Ellis for the left, there's a leftie with the credibility of Bolt et al.

 

Perhaps the biggest difference is that the ABC is not subject to the same audit/review as commercial outlets. The ABC has its very own, one which took nearly a year (and legal action) to decide a vulgar image disparaging a non-ABC journalist just might warrant an apology (sort of). If a commercial TV station had run such a photo against the left, they would have had a far harder time of it.

IMHO opinion, the review process for the ABC is flawed, and yet another waste of my taxes.

 

Agreed.

Perhaps if the news has a left bias, it means reality has a left bias? Same as if it's right? Very hard to prove. There is variety of ways even a very simple news story can be told and spun, what aspects you focus on. All are probably factually correct, again it's what you focus on.

It's like if you make 180k a year, and pay 55k tax. The righties say 'I'm paying a lot of tax'. Lefties might say 'I'm taking home a lot of pay'. Swinging voters/centrists might agree to both statements. It depends on perception, background, and values.

 

Again it's what you focus on. As a right-winger, case in point that you'd automatically focus on high level of tax paid. As a left winger, I would acknowledge that I pay more tax compared to the average, but in understanding the method behind the madness would prefer to focus on the 125k I take home instead.

Again, there are a variety of ways to see a situation.

 

Thoughts?

 

He has no good ones.

 

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Quite an interesting first speech.....lots of lofty ideals that unfortunately will be shattered by the religious right and the corporate masters that control the liberal party....in the same way the labour back room runs the labour party......

If as a senator he is able to hold true to his ideals then there is hope and I applaud him for such

 

True, I lol'd at the scotland line

Not sure about PM but if the idea of actual liberty could get into australian politics a bit - that'd be great.

We'll see won't we. Can only hope it grows, I don't think a lot of people realise how much their freedoms are restricted, I don't personally agree with all of the LDPs policies but the idea that people should have their own right to choose and not have government tell them what to do sits well with me.