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New electric vehicles to be built in Adelaide...

Discussion in 'News/Updates' started by Brettly-2008, May 16, 2019.

  1. Brettly-2008

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    Not a lot of interest to anyone except the few with a: the money to waste since electric vehicles have virtually no value on the secondhand market and only around 10% of people that buy one ever buy a second one, and b: that have eight hours spare to sit waiting to recharge their car and c: don't want to drive anywhere outside suburbia. Something I doubt many "commercial" users will be keen on
     
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    My eyes, my eyes
     
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    Yep, this country is slowing becoming two countries with very different thinking and needs. Inner-city Australia and the rest of Australia. Inner-city Australia fails to acknowledge the rest of Australia in its thinking and car like this would only make sense in ultra built-up CBDs where everything is basically close enough to walk. So-called 'progressive' leftist politics is another example...
     
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    markalan1two Smile and wave boys !!!!

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    Exactly most inner urbans think the milk comes from plastic bottle next to the meat shelf were the meat is produced
     
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    good news. but it's good for Inner-city Australia, not for outside of Australia. anyway let's see

    Thanks
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    I see a lot of negativity about EV's but it's going to be the inevitable future of fleet cars, family cars and a whole range of self driving trucks. Just my opinion of course, but there is growth every year and that isn't slowing down. Not to mention the fact that the technology gets better every year, and not just battery technology.

    Remember when people said "why would we need copper when iron serves our telecommunications fine", just like the current government saying "why would we need fibre when copper serves us just fine and wireless is going to be serving most people anway?". Apart from the obvious shortsightedness of those politicians, was the first petrol car able to drive anywhere near the current generations? No. Did they outperform horses in many aspects? Not really.

    The fact is, tech doesn't just come into the world at its most efficient, powerful and perfect form. It takes time, research and probably most importantly, customers to test the tech but also to provide the money needed in order to perfect the tech.

    I don't have any agenda here - I just see how the tech is going, improving and in my opinion, self driving electric vehicles will be the majority before 2050.
     
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    I think you're on the money. By 2030, I reckon electric, and perhaps other alternative fuels, will be very common and far more affordable than at present. And there will be guys on this forum who will be driving them as dailies, even though they're convinced they will never do so.
     
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    "why would we need copper when iron serves our telecommunications fine" I'm sorry, no one said that, ever. And with 5G roll out, fibre optic, which has to be replaced regularly as do the batteries in all the repeaters along the way, will be obsolete before the Rudd/Labor NBN is fully rolled out, just like people with actual knowledge of technology pointed out all along. You do realise that the only thing that will make autonomous vehicles possible at all is 5G wireless don't you?
     
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    nz govtment has just given Kiwis a gift $8000 discount if you buy a new electric vehicle .$2000 if you buy a 2nd hand vehicle .if someone offered .i a commodore with a electric motor that could do 10sec i would be driving it imagine a hard as .black commodore electric .beating fords .#yeah!!!
     
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    Whether we like it or not the days of the ICE (internal combustion engine) cars are now numbered. I am holding off as long as I can and I am also waiting for one of the makers to introduce solid state batteries. They will be a game changer. Quicker charging, more capacity for a given physical volume, greater safety and longevity. An EV with a power to weight ratio of about 100kw/ton or more, a range of 600km and a very quick charge would suit me just fine. They will come down in price as the capacity of scale improves. The fun and games will come when the tipping point for EVs is reached and sales are larger than ICE and hybrids. All those ICE cars will then be worth bugger-all at trade in. That's why I am going to keep my VF as long as possible...basically running it until it will run no more.
     
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    We think alike. Five years from now, your questions will probably be answered. Once the price and range of EV's meet Australian drivers' requirements, their sales will take off. I'm wondering how dealers will sell their last new petrol cars and what used car dealers will do with their stocks of used and unwanted vehicles. As EV's increase, there will either have to be a large scale industry fitting electric conversions or a huge increase in vehicle scrapping.
     
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    Lets not forget a clean, sustainable, long term electricity source, such as nuclear power, to charge all these power hungry batteries.
     
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    I wouldn't expect all of those ICE vehicles to just disappear overnight.

    Not everyone can afford the cost of a new EV.
     
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    Formula 1 gurus are not convinced about electric cars.

    https://www.carsales.com.au/editorial/details/motorsport-two-stroke-idea-for-formula-1-122414/
    “Symonds spoke at an energy-efficiency conference at the Motorsport Industry Association in Britain, where research was presented that showed electric racing cars could be responsible for twice the level of carbon emissions as hybrids because of the amount produced when building batteries.”

    People only seem to be looking at the non-existent exhaust pipe emissions, not the amount of energy used to produce an electric car.
     
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    Quite right. The change-over will take years. My point is that once EV's drop in price and can achieve a range that suits our needs, their sales will accelerate. Gradually, ICV's, particularly older ones, will depreciate more quickly, but the interesting point will be how well new petrol cars will sell. I think its going to be very difficult to get rid of them eventually. It will also be interesting to see what falling demand for ICV, 's will do to petrol pricing.
     
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    Indeed, interesting times ahead, that's for sure.
     
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    The difference in energy required refers to hybrids. How does the energy required compare to conventional vehicles?
     
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    That is the $64,000 question that nobody mentions, probably because the real answer would be politically and environmently incorrect and embarrassing to 'climate change social justice warriors'.
     
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    I very much feel that the way we here feel about cars is not how many folks in the future will think about cars.

    We cherish them as an extension of our personality while in the future they will be just like a tampon, use it and be rid of it. There will be no resale value in them and they'll just get recycled very much like what happens to many cars in Japan now. Japan doesn't have an oil industry like we do, basically the oil that's put into the vehicle stays in there until the vehicle is handed back in for the purchase of another new one.

    They don't get attached to cars like we do and in the future we won't be either, but hey, by then we'll all be gone or a dribbling mess in a Nursing Home of some sort and never even thinking about a car ever again.
     

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