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Discussion in 'Envyous Customs' started by TazzI, Sep 22, 2015.

  1. vk4akp

    vk4akp Starfire, Fear V Power!!

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    Yep I wanted the BT otherwise I would have just got the cable. I want to leave the interface as part of the car 24/7. Eventually I'll add an Android stereo with touch screen. End goal to have stuff displayed on it. Transmission temp for starters.
    Aldldroid, well so far it's one of the few things I've been able to get working.
    Can't get TunerPro to connect for love nor money so far. :(

    This is all very new to me. I'm learning as I go and very slowly so far.
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    Dirbatua Well-Known Member

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    Make sure there isn't power to the unit constantly too :p i found out one of my bluetooth adapters just stays running 24/7 while the other ones turn off when the ignition is off haha.

    and post photos i wanna see it :)
     
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    vk4akp Starfire, Fear V Power!!

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    Yea, it's powered by the OBD1 connector but also has a separate barrel socket for external power. So I'll add a switch and wire the external power connector to the accessories in the fuse box.
    I've done the same already for my BlackVue dash cam using a fuse tap .-.-.
     
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    Hi i got a vt calais 5.0 and was running than just cut out. Now it wont start and when trying to start there s some kind of knocking noise in the engine bay. I figure out wat the noise is or get it starting again.? Some tips would be great if can pls?
     
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    You might want to start your own thread on that as it doesn't seem to have anything to do with Tazzi's R&D?

    Andrew
     
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    Sorry mate new to this site .
     
  8. TazzI

    TazzI Envyous Customs

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    Sorry Iv been a bit quiet!

    Time for an update with everything thats been going on. :)
    Its probably easier to answer the common questions Iv been getting as it covers everything needed.

    Q) When is the new cable coming out? You had testers around last year Christmas?
    A)Theres three parts to this answer...
    Part 1: Multiple parts on the board design went into the EOF (end of life) stage which means they were no longer being produced. I need parts which will be accessible for many years to come, this meant redesigning board for some new components (relays, bluetooth ect).

    Part 2: The board design was too complex for soldering. It was taking hours per cable just for soldering. This is not viable in any way, and required changing up the design. The design is a three stage system now with a main processor board, OBD plug+breakout board and finally an interface board. This all goes together much nicer, and now has soldering down to about 30-50mins.

    Part 3: Iv taken on alot of custom jobs for conversion vehicles/import cars ect which absorbs most of my free time currently, which has drastically affected other projects timeframes.

    Q) What can the new cable do? Why is it different to the two you have?
    A) Quick answer.. theres no limitations. As its built by me, I have put everything I would want from a cable into it, which means it can tackle anything thrown at it. The biggest thing, is it can communicate to every module in VR through to VF's. This means one cable, to rule them all (Mwhahahaha).

    Q) Whens it coming out!!!???!!!
    A) Since last December, there has been 16 revisions. The latest revision only arrived a few days ago, and has been powered up on the bench since its arrived for long term testing! So far so good, next test will be leaving it in my ute for a few days to ensure it accepts start/stop conditions, noisy electrical conditions and so on.

    Q) VF custom programming, Whats the go?
    A) Been asked alot about this. Almost all VF programming related upgrades are extremely complex, requiring full reflashes of modules which can take significant amount of time. This means all modules need to be flashed to the latest updates specific to that vehicle before modification can be performed (Such as TPMS, Paddles, POI and various other options) and then another full reflash with my modification updates. For example, the VF mylink firmware update will happily consume 1hour+, before moving to the calibrations to update and finally modify.

    The only exception to this, is programming options which can be performed via a flashbox such as VF performance page, Mylink relink, cluster relink. Those can happily be performed by the flashbox. All other programming at this time will be put on hold until I sort out a better setup/system to get it done. Or more likely after some of this work finishes, and new envy tool completed.
     
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    Thanks for the update. It's appreciated you've taken the time out to supply a little insight on what's going there.
     
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    Well done thank you
     
  11. TazzI

    TazzI Envyous Customs

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    Finaaaaaaaaaaaly finished the new website: www.envyouscustoms.com
    To say it was a huge overhaul is an understatement. Still heaps of content to move over, but its easier to navigate (I hope!) and overall makes it unbelievable easier to work with.

    For those with the keen eye, Iv added in a quick blurb about the new cable. Will update with a picture and more information when I can.
     
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    Can't say i like it honestly, but i never like the new style websites people are making to be more mobile compatible with your style of layout :p
     
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    TazzI Envyous Customs

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    :D All down to personal preference! I tried to keep my quirky flare to it.

    One of the important parts of the update was to allow people to have an account to check their previous order, resend automated emails ect. Now thats been implemented, Im trying to see if the softwares licensing can somehow link/tie in with users accounts.
     
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    lol exactly personal preference and its your website haha.

    and yea should be possible to link a licence with a username, plenty of people do it, but yea new software versions to allow for it which means creating accounts for every previous customer.
     
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    Track Electronics does a bluetooth ODB1 for Nissan, using it on a Nissan ECU that is odb1, which VT-VX are also odb1 right?

    It lets me use Android or Windows apps to read diagnostic from cars.

    Why doesn't the same work or made to work for older Holdens?
     
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    TazzI Envyous Customs

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    Well.. technically, "OBD1" is a very broad term. To be a bit more specific, ALDL would actually be OBD1.5 (Its kinda its own thing!!).

    Anyways, a Bluetooth ALDL Cable can easily be made. It can be made to be very small and portable plus I could implement my own "protocol" which would ensure the data received is valid and also quick.

    BUT, the issue I have with the making the above, is making a bluetooth ALDL cable is essentially pointless. Realistically everyone requires a cable which can speak more than just one language (ALDL). It needs to be able to do everything from VR to VF and even other models/manufactures. This is why I have never bothered with a bluetooth ALDL.
     
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    TazzI Envyous Customs

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    I know theres not 'heaps' of people that check this blog, but at least theres a few.

    Im wondering if I still need a 'baby' step before a full fledged jump into a new scantool. My biggest setback at the moment is now getting cases designed up, Iv commented about this process before and how expensive this can be. Makes me appreciate absolutely everything thats made with plastic due to the expense involved it getting it molded and produced!

    Anyways, as much as I dislike the idea of using ELMs, they do get by for most diagnostic requirements for all VZ and newer.
    Iv had a few people suggest making something that uses the scantool.net MX Bluetooth scantools, which uses the same kinda commands as the standard ELMs, but much more advanced and modern. These tools obviously support bluetooth, and allow diagnostics on ALL computers in VE and VF's. But... obviously leaves out everything older (Which I hate the idea of).

    So.. it puts me in a bit of a pickle!
    My options are:

    1) Stick with the new Envy Cable.. save up to produce custom cases (Honestly.. its big $$.. so it has to be perfect!!). The 3D printed cases are too expensive to get a 3rd party to produce, its ~$50 per case which is a huge amount, and printing them myself takes way to long.. and buying more 3d printers ends up costing the same as getting the injection mold done! (Literally pulling my hair out in frustration!!!!)

    2) Another baby step, use a prefabricated cable to support all LS1 V8 ECUs, VZ engine/trans and all computers in VE and VF. The vehicles left out is everything else (VR-VY) and the other computers in a VZ. If doing this step, I will have to try merge everything under one roof for the ALDL (Older cars) so that its a all in one application for engine/trans/body for those cars instead of separate applications. I want to have an all in one app as close as possible. even though it may be two programs. Also, want to move away from subscription for diagnostics, and only use for programming.

    Another option for option 2.. is develop one program.. but support both scantools to cover all vehicles?? Maybe??

    I appreciate anyones thoughts on the matter.. good or bad! Both choices are huge commitments on my end. There may be a third choice, but Im yet to look further into it at the moment.

    Frustrated Tazzi... over and out...
     
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    i have a Scantool MX bluetooth, i use the cables i brought off you more then it :p

    I reckon stick with the Envy cable, the all in 1 solution is what will separate you from everyone else in the world and it's a lot handier :), i know i prefer it, 1 cable 1 program and can do the lot it would be alot more of a Go to product then different software with different cables to do different things like it is now.

    If thats not possible then 1 software to do both scantools
     
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    TazzI Envyous Customs

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    Option 3, is make a software which allows connecting to OEM grade tools which use the diagnostic protocol called J2534. Its a standardised protocol, which is actually quite similar to the setup I have on my own custom scantool. The difference is, there is 100's of tools which use this J2534 language so in effect, 100's of different tools can be supported in one hit! For example, Holden and Fords tools use this protocol for their own software.

    Theres quite a few of these tools which are 'fairly' cheap...considering they are OEM grade.. so Im spending the next couple days investigating this to see if this could be a step forward.

    In the end, I do want my own tool. But may need something to come first.. this may be it. I currently have 200+pages of extremely technical documentation which breaks down this J2534 protocol.. May take the weekend to digest and trial it out.

    More to come soon...
     
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    I'd say it comes down to your business model, if you think you'll only sell these in small quantities, say a couple of hundred cables total, then I would have the cases 3D Printed commercially and charge accordingly.

    If your Envy/NVS package is as good as it sounds then most people will happily pay an extra $50 to have the cable now instead of waiting another month [cough]...year...[/cough]!

    Even if you estimate your sales to be tens of thousands of units, I think it would still be worth doing a "boutique market" 3D printed run just to get some units in the field and generate some interest in the product.

    As far as I can see, your angle here is "one cable to rule them all"? (Apologies to LOTR fans)

    There are a thousand Chinese cables on the market that do this or that, and you certainly can't compete with them on price, so you need to separate yourself from that lower-end of the market and having one cable that does any Holden made in the last thirty-odd years will certainly achieve that goal.

    Software can be upgraded whenever, but if you compromise on the cable you lose part of your market.

    That's my 2c anyway.

    Andrew
     
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