why dont people sell their copies of the Holden Service Information Package?

[Boonz]

well for all anyone knows i got it legally from somewhere. im not trying to make a million dollars, just help people on this site n stuff

and no, you cant legally be in possession of a legal copy of this..... cos it gets sent to the service advisor at the holden dealership and is only good for one computer.... you want more copies, you pay for them, you buy the license to have it.
THE PUBLIC cannot get their hands on it LEGALLY.... understand?

 

[esca_ByDesign]

dude.... seriously.... your asking how much people would pay for a copy of it, why dont you just ask for orders and make it more obvious,

is a valid question, i have no idea how much it would be so i was just asking.

i think you guys are a little bit caught up in it. i know its illegal to reproduce and sell, and make money off, thats settled.

its just a couple of pdf's, the question was why dont people sell it, and i think thats answered, but if you copy it and give it to a friend or something, i dont believe thats illegal.

yeah sure i didnt pay for it and you could say it illegal for me to have a copy of it which might be true, but how many people on here have never downloaded a song, never downloaded a movie, never bought a pirated movie, pirated software, etc, etc. you see my point.

thats the way the world is these days and might i say its not a pretty one. yeah ok this might be a bit bigger than a song or movie but the concepts the same.
i see where you guys are coming from that its not right and it shouldnt be copied even once for a friend, stealing is stealing and whether it was me or the person who gave it to me or the person before that, someone broke the law, its just such a shame everyone has to pay for it

/end/rant.

 

[Tatiana]

i know its illegal to reproduce and sell, and make money off, thats settled.

It is illegal to reproduce any copyrighted material without the permission of the owner. Selling it just makes it worse. Admitting you have a pirated copy of anything on a public forum is asking for trouble. Sure some people download music and videos, doesn't make it right or an excuse for you to say "but others do it so I will too." By the same analogy would you start speeding if someone overtook you who was speeding then use the excuse "but they were.....?"

 

[2DIE]

Probably nothing to worry about, people burn cds and programs every day and even have whole websites dedicated to doing so.

I dont see any copy rite symbols or trade marks on any of the screen shots in photo bucket.

I honestly dont see whats wrong with people having information about a car that they own, especially that they were all bought new at some point for 30k+ from Holden.

Legally its probably frowned upon but I doubt you are going to have any one knock on your door about it, just keep it low, if you share it with anyone I doubt it will hurt.

Edit

Just did a google search, clicked around a little and found these available all over the place for download, some cracked and some with passwords. Its not hard to get a hold of any information these days via the internet.

 

[Tatiana]

just keep it low,

GOLD. So posting on a public forum that you have an illegal copy would be keeping it low?

I think not!

Again, just because people burn cd's and programs and they can be found online to download doesn't make it legal. Lets use another analogy shall we? You can access child pornography on the internet - but it's illegal! So do you think kiddie fiddlers sit on forums saying "but you can get in online by searching and other people download it so I don't see the harm.........."

Some of you seem to think because you can download stuff found online it's ok, most of you justifying it with "lot's of people do it....." It is illegal no matter how you look at it to copy, distribute or sell published material without the consent on the owner. Just because someone uploads it, doesn't suddenly make it right.

 

[Calaber]

Probably nothing to worry about, people burn cds and programs every day and even have whole websites dedicated to doing so.

I dont see any copy rite symbols or trade marks on any of the screen shots in photo bucket.
I honestly dont see whats wrong with people having information about a car that they own, especially that they were all bought new at some point for 30k+ from Holden.

Legally its probably frowned upon but I doubt you are going to have any one knock on your door about it, just keep it low, if you share it with anyone I doubt it will hurt.

Edit

Just did a google search, clicked around a little and found these available all over the place for download, some cracked and some with passwords. Its not hard to get a hold of any information these days via the internet.

Copyright conditions are spelled out very clearly in the front of books/manuals/documents, not on every page. And the conditions are very clear and explicit. They say, generally, "No part of this book shall be reproduced, stored in a retrieval system or transmitted by any means....without written permission of the publisher/author." The wording may vary but the meaning doesn't. Pretty simple, I'd say. Don't do it.

 

[esca_ByDesign]

It is illegal to reproduce any copyrighted material without the permission of the owner. Selling it just makes it worse. Admitting you have a pirated copy of anything on a public forum is asking for trouble. Sure some people download music and videos, doesn't make it right or an excuse for you to say "but others do it so I will too." By the same analogy would you start speeding if someone overtook you who was speeding then use the excuse "but they were.....?"

i think your missing the point, im not saying "i only do it cause other do it", im saying that copyright it so hard to police, control, monitor, it happens sooooo much in everything we use (not saying its right) that its becoming less and less of a big deal.

and comparing a copy of a car manual to child pornography? seriously......wake up. i cant believe anyone would even say that.

everyone has their own opinion, mine is that id rather the police catching drug dealers and speeding cars than people with copies of files, movies, etc. i dont say its right to sell stuff thats not yours,
.... i suppose its where you draw the line in the sand.

BOTTOM LINE! im not selling it or copying it for anyone, but if you want me to screen shot you how to take things apart or what a part it called ill do my best to help you PM me

 

[2DIE]

I agree, child **** is taking it too far.

Too many do gooders that wont let anything slip, by the same logic if you find money then you must hand it in to the police. If it isnt claimed in 3 months then the money is yours, if you just pick up 50 cents off the road and put it in your pocket thats as bad as what you are talking about? (I even hate to type it)

If I need to fix my car and dont know how and cant afford $300 to take it to Holden or a mechanic to fix it but some information on the internet or a CD someone else may have that will help and make me able to fix it easily and for free I would do it.

Un-roadworthy car that could kill someone if something went wrong vs fixing it yourself from "information readily available"

I don't download movies or songs or programs but I know everyone does, as for keeping it low.. this thread kind of blew that but I even then I doubt cops are going to bust down your door and lock you away. They could walk in 99% of houses and find a copied music or videos.

If I was to say "HEY EVERYONE I HAVE THE NEW SPICE GIRLS CD, PM ME AND ILL SEND THE MP3'S" it wouldn't cause this reaction.

Very few people pay for what you can get for free, yes you probably shouldn't have it, wouldn't even try to sell it, but... I have seen from other forums the information from CD's like this and it is very helpful. Some dude just asked a question about problems with his car and another guy pasted about 10 lines from it saying different things to check and his problem was sorted.

Even if people don't take screen shots or copy direct lines this information can answer 99% of the problems everyone fills these forums with, now someone using that information to help people out is good. Too many tools sayings stuff like "bang it with a stick" or "dont fix it, just get a V8" are useless sources of information.

Norti I don't believe if you lost your job and your car died and you cant afford to repair, none of your friends know and you post on these forums the symptoms and someone just copied a page from the SIP with 3-4 things to check and maybe replace a $5 part that you wouldn't follow what it says or start bagging them and telling them how illegal it is.

I'm not saying its right, I know copies of stuff is wrong but really when it comes down to it I don't see any harm. Maybe Holden doesn't get $30+ for 20 cent CD, does anyone really give a crap?

Chill out a bit, its not murder.

 

[Andrew426]

I see a thread full of posters not really contributing anything at all.

Someone in the know please give a solid answer to the OPs question, because all this "No its illegal and holden will find out and make you go to gaol for 100 years" is petty and stupid.

 

[Calaber]

I see a thread full of posters not really contributing anything at all.

Someone in the know please give a solid answer to the OPs question, because all this "No its illegal and holden will find out and make you go to gaol for 100 years" is petty and stupid.

If you really believe that the OP's question hasn't been answered, in some detail, by at least a few of us on this thread, then I suggest you start reading it again, from the start. You may think it's "petty and stupid", but the law regarding supplying copies of a copyrighted document, either for free or for a fee, is pretty specific. It's illegal and regardless of the level of risk of being caught, there IS a risk. That's why people don't do it OPENLY and why such action is actively discouraged by the administrators of this forum.

What exactly is it you are expecting us to tell him?