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Auto to manual conversion- VF

Discussion in 'VF Holden Commodore (2013 - 2017)' started by daves8, Nov 7, 2019.

  1. daves8

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    I did this in my VY Calais, wondered what the best place to get this done is if wanted to?

    what would it cost?

    my Calais is now a Sunday car, figured it would be more fun manual.
     
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    In all honesty you’d be better off selling yours and buying a manual version, would be extremely expensive to do to your car especially if your paying someone else to do all the work
     
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    I expected someone would say that.....

    when I factor in stamp duty etc, I will just keep mine.

    I saw a complete kit from a GTS for $4k last night on eBay. I wonder how much the labour would be to do conversion.
     
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    Why not just go down the route of a cam, hi stall, diff gears etc for the same money or possibly less than doing a manual conversion.. would make it heaps more fun to drive and heaps more power I know what ya mean about manuals being more fun to drive as I always buy manual commy’s myself but the above mods would make yours heaps quicker than a manual swap
     
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    Not really doing it for outright power, just fun.

    my daily is now a Jeep SRT tat has power for days, just want something to cruise in.

    I put a huge cam in my last Calais, and the wife hated it
     
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    saw a twin turbo kit go for $3k the other day.
     
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    Does anyone know if a GTS manual box will fit a L77?
     
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    Yeah but it’s still only got a gearbox designed for people with no ability to understand enjoyment & with only one leg.

    I’ve often wondered the same as the OP ... what would it cost to get a VF2 SSVR wagon with a fun ‘box?
     
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    If the PCM does not see a auto trans computer you will have issues. It's not like the old days when stuff was easy you need to change out looms and **** around otherwise you end up with a car you may aswell remove the dash cluster and use a race pack with a haltec.
     
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    Yes it will. Will any of the elctronics in the car work..... not without major money spent rectifying the elctronics. Just buy a manual car.
     
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    Can this PCM be flashed or replaced with a manual car one?

    You can’t buy a manual VF or VF2 wagon, they were only built for/by HSV Gen-F & only for MY2013 and MY2014.
     
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    I'm not sure I don't have tech 3 (i think its called) but my knowledge of GM is the loom in the later modles leaves out certain wires so even if you have tech 3 the computer wont see voltage on the right terminals. All this can be got around but by the time you get around all this if you're paying someone the bill will be huge. I think from memory to change a VF interior loom its a full interior out job.

    We get sublets from panel beaters to do damaged looms/harnesses whatever you call them so we do one or two a month on all sorts of cars. We once had to strip a VE ute to the shell so the beaters could replace the whole side as thats the repair schedule from holden.
     
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    I thought the 6l80 was rated for decent hp

    Plenty of people doing auto to manual on facebook groups but I wouldnt recommend either for the cost.

    Look into 2nd hand charging for more fun.
     
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    Isn’t a second hand charger risky?

    a new 1900/2300 kit is about $14k installed, so would still be 8-10 second hand I imagine?
     
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    More powahz vs manual ‘box is a bit like ... with the more powahz it’s continuing to extract funs at 65% efficiency by raising the number that the 65% is a proportion of, with the manual ‘box it’s increasing the extraction of funs up to more like 90% but the number that the 90% is based-on hasn’t changed.

    But if going that more-powahz route, one wonders if the Total Cost of Ownership might work out better with just buying an LSA HSV, especially if looking at wagons, just ‘cos there aren’t that many around & I think the HSV’s are likely to retain value better than a Commodore-badged Commodore (especially a modded one) ... ?
     
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    I wanted a wagon, but they only come in auto. So I have a sedan. Very happy, but I did want a wagon.
     
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    You'll need different wiring harnesses, computer set up differently (or even different computers), the plethora of parts required.
    This is something that will cost far more to do than you may think.
    The only way it's going to work for you is if you do the work yourself and purchase a wrecked manual, swap the parts over then struggle to get all the CANBUS to work.

    It just doesn't make logical sense.
    The process is going to be far different to how we used to do the older Commodores.

    Stamp duty will pale into insignificance to do this.
     
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    I've used Diff Trans to do auto to manual conversions on cars manufactured in the 1970's and been happy with the result.

    I don't know what they're like on converting late model cars but you could always make an enquiry to find out what sort of ball park figure you are up for before you make any other decisions.

    http://www.difftrans.com/services/






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    The overwhelming feedback is it’s not feasible....

    Was easy in my VY, seems not so easy in VF

    here comes head and cam package I guess
     
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    Back in the 80’s you could tick all sorts of options when you signed up to buy a new car... all sorts of things from upgraded gauges to long range fuel tanks to everything in between :)

    Sadly, as making vehicles got more sophisticated and computerised with JIT manufacturing techniques, paint lines that could do different colours than the vehicle in front or behind it, you’d think that you’d have the ability to be even more selective to build your desired ‘special’. But nope, you could only select from the limited models available with little variance allowed :oops:

    I’d have loved a manual wagon with similar specs to an amalgam of the best bits between a Redline V and a Calais but no chance :oops: Waited and watched for years but nothing close. Instead, Holden was about to fold and I got a limited selection of the best of the last with a single tone horn (that makes it sound like a small Kia) and a bunch of other penny pinching savings thrown in for good measure. Still like my Motorsport but it could have been so much better in small ways that I’ll address myself down the track :rolleyes: lots of years of warranty left before I start ripping into it ;)
     
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