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Camaro trans pan and pick up 6L80E

Discussion in 'VF Holden Commodore (2013 - 2017)' started by 426Cuda, Nov 8, 2018.

  1. 426Cuda

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    I had one of these fitted to my Redline today. Really happy with how it drives, so far. More on that later. A couple of concerns though. The invoice says 6.5L of Lubrimaxx ATF Lo-Vis Synthetic. I thought they held at least 10L with the deep pan? Question is, is it underfilled or was there 3.5L of the old oil left in the torque converter?
     
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    It's about right. They really don't hold that much more than OEM pans. Its more about the filter sitting deeper in the pan, than the volume increase that makes it a worth while mod IMO. I've had mine changed at various shops and they've all come back about the same and with much less than you'd think.
     
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    Yeah, they hold about 1L more from what I've read.
     
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    Forg Well-Known Member

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    It is later!
    Enquiring minds need to know!!
     
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    By later, I meant after I'd done a few more K's.:)
    But just for you FORG old buddy.;) Mine hasn't had any flaring issues, so nothing to report there. The first thing I did notice was that performance mode / active shift or whatever it's called. comes on at will. By at will, I mean if you want it in performance mode, for example, just use say 1/3 throttle from a standing start into a roundabout, bang, straight in. Or, accelerate quickly (1/2 throttle) in a straight line, then back off, e.g to do a u turn, again straight into performace mode. Slow down, accelerate away, your in the same gear. I've always been able to dip into this mode, but had to work the throttle much harder.
    The second thing I noticed is that the shifts are quicker. Not harsh by any means, just quicker. The box seems much more in tune with my driving style. I didn't even bother using active select, as it was great in auto sport shift.
    So, if your auto is due for a service, grab one of these babies. Its a nice upgrade and very cheap. All you need is the pan, pick up and gasket. Available in Aus I believe. But I bought both of mine from Pace Performance in the US.
     
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    There was some pans on eBay Aus too a while back
     
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    How does the Redline compare to the MSE shift wise?

    The shifts on my Magnum(still factory) are way ahead of the Maloo(which has been improved by tuning).
     
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    Why not adding instead a Transmission Oil Cooler? Increase the capacity, better heat transfer and keep the OEM low profile.
     
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    I use the paddles in the Motorsport quite often. Not that I drive it much. But yeah, despite the Redline trans being tuned, the stock tune on the Motorsport is magnificent. It was streets ahead of the Redline pre the pan change and yes, even when the Redline was new, or just tuned. It hasn't changed. The Redline trans is still as good as new. But, the Motorsport trans is just that much better. Both 6L80E's, but 4 years apart. I wouldn't be surprised if there are a few internal differences? Or it could just be the tune. If it is the tune, I'd love to get it for my Redline. It's a lot better.
    Still need more time in the Redline to really get a feel for it though. As it happens, I'm cruising up the Hume towards Sydney today, then through Bowral and the Kangaroo Valley. Great opportunity to put it through its paces.:)
     
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    But then you don't get the benefit of the big mouth pickup, and the risk of windage is still there too. Extra capacity in the sump helps to avoid this. Extra ATF in the cooler and tubing doesn't. From what I've read, the cooler typically only adds about 500-750ml.
    BTW, the Camaro pan is a stock GM part. The profile is plenty low. It doesn't hang down, I.e it's still well above the exhaust etc.
     
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    I see...
     
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    So if I’m understanding this correctly, keeping the oil cooler by adding more volume is having a big effect on shift behaviour, even though it’s an electronically controlled ‘box?

    That sounds like somewhat dubious ‘box design!
     
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    You're not understanding it correctly. I'd be very surprised if the trans runs any cooler, with the Camaro pan. Marginal at most I'd guess. It may just take a little longer to get up tto temp.
     
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    I’m definitely not understanding it correctly! What difference does the extra oil make to an electronically-controlled ‘box; or if it’s not about a hugher oil volume than what is the difference?

    I thought you normally only played with oil pans/pickups/etc like this if you’ve got a dodgy oil supply (eg. due to racing-related g-forces); but the way you’ve described it, you’re seeing different ‘box behaviour just in driving around.

    Hence my total lack of understanding!
     
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    We'll, I guess there are two or three things at play. The larger pick up / filter area and deeper sump mean a constant supply of ATF, even under the forces cornering or acceleration. No windage. Thirdly the replacement synthetic fluid may be having an effect too.
    While the trans is com0uter controlled, it's also a mechanical device. One that is dependant on a constant supply of good quality oil.
     
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    Yeah, but what that means if you’re seeing different behaviour just driving ‘round the burbs (my comment about it being electronically controlled is because oil pressures aren’t causing/managing when shifts occur) is that MY car’s transmission is being starved of oil.
    I can’t see how that’s a good thing for transmission longevity!
     
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    In my case, added a Heavy Duty oil cooler. Added another Litre of fluid plus whatever is on the hoses. Also, added a Thermo bypass valve that allows 10% of the oil to go into the cooler and as soon hit 88C start to open. The reasoning is to use the radiator cooler to warm up the oil and the 10% prevents the cooler to go dry and keep it warm, that will prevent a Thermal Shock and/or air pockets to prevent momentary starvation.

    But I see what he is saying and a deeper pan makes sense. On my applycation, I am not going to race the car, moded for towing, no sense for me to do it.

    So far, the Temp stay right at about 88c.

    Anyway, is good read and info.
     
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    Well it was great down through the twisty stuff near Kangaroo Valley.
    I don't think you have anything to worry about FORG. Your trans will be fine. I think we just have very different driving styles.
     

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