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Oh yes yes yes indeed Badgerdog, this was an extremely detailed commentary by ZB Holden engineers and what they did.

Yep, got to make sure that radio works

Direct quote from the article
“So we are covering lots of miles all throughout Australia, making sure that the navigation is working right, that we have got great radio reception."

There is very little detail in that article, its a fluff piece.
There are a couple of paragraphs on how they were involved (mainly providing advice up front, no surprise), then it turns into a preliminary test drive by the author
 

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Or the more likely story, cut and paste!
 

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Wow.
To answer the original question yes the ZB is tuned for our conditions and driving styles just like all imported Holden have been for years. There might be some subtle changes to the ECU or trans calibrations the steering feel will be altered and the spring rates and internal valving of the shock absorbers are altered. The fantastic ride and handling engineer's at Holden have also been involved in R&D for many of GM's products. Ford also have a great group of engineer's here in Australia that are responsible for the ride and handling development not only for our local sold cars but also models sold throughout the world. Near on all manufacturers will spend some time on providing different suspension tunes and ECU calibrations for our unique requirements. Hyundai and KIA contract suspension tuning for every model sold here to a small independent Sydney based specialist.

What amazes me about all posts in the ZB section is that there is always some clown that feels they need to chime in on how crap or not a Commodore the ZB is and it was the cause of Holden folding. Problem is these comenters have more to do with Holden walking than the ZB did as owning/driving a VS,VT,VX,VY,VZ,VE and even a VF is what caused them to close. Put simply you need to keep buying the product and that just wasn't happening. Plenty say build a big rear drive V8 because that's what people want but do they? There are still new VF Red lines advertised for sale near on 3 years after production ended and there were plenty available all through 2018 and early 19. Yes they were good cars and I enjoyed my VF Redline but they were old and needed a tech injection and some decent marketing both here and in the US.

So stick to your pre ZB threads and let those that own or are interested in ZB enjoy it for what it is a decent Euro car with a bogans badge.
 

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Anyone can post a justification which they think supports their argument. Those questioning stuff that say I and Badgerdog post, are a joke. They are on a forum that is about Commodores. Find the good, it’s everywhere. Finding fault when there is little, as the pro reviewers say, means these ZB haters don’t even acknowledge the overwhelming praise that is clear cut. It clearly shows you up as a denier. So having a go at me, is having a go at all those giving the ZB 4 great praise as a car.
There are many people, many pieces of information that confirm that.
The ZB and the 4 in particular, is an excellent car.
I have highlighted below a comment about v8 owners, and they can’t get over the loss of the v8. The comment also referred that the Redline needed an “Injection” . The article also refers to the fact of forgetting the name plate leads one to concluding that you focus on the car.
Unquestionably, when focus is on the ZB, the stark reality is that modern car is much better than earlier Commodores. Badgerdog is on record as acknowledge its superiority. I recall him saying that the VE, the “ billion dollar baby” was basically gutless and so on.

Here is an excerpt from the link Badgerdog posted:

A big surprise was just how quick and sprightly the 191kW/350Nm four-cylinder engine is. It feels just as quick as the V6 in a straight line – there is about a one second difference from 0-100km/h – and is a hoot to drive.

Each four-cylinder Commodore is 138kg lighter than the equivalent V6 variant and you can notice the difference. It feels lighter when diving out of a fast corner, but there is definitely some torque steer when you pick up the pace.

It is not as noticeable as some other powerful FWD cars – we are looking at you, Ford Focus ST – and never feels like you are losing control, it just adds a little bit of drama, and not in a bad way.


The turbo-petrol four-cylinder engine and the V6 are matched with a GM-developed nine-speed automatic transmission the turbo-diesel, which we are yet to drive, gets an eight-speed unit.

The nine-speeder is a slick, smooth shifting unit that puts some rival dual-clutch and continuously variable transmissions to shame. It’s a perfect match for both engines and does not hold gears or engage in any annoying quick shifting. It found the right gear every time.

Let’s hope this unit finds its way into other Holden products.

We can’t properly judge the noise, vibration and harshness (NVH) measures of the Commodore just yet as the engineering team are still working on this area.

Some punters will never get over the fact that Holden is no longer offering a V8-powered rear-wheel-drive sedan. But others who keep a more open mind will no doubt be surprised by just how good the new Commodore is.

If you can divorce yourself from the history of the nameplate, the ZB Commodore – at least from our time behind the wheel of the pre-production cars – is an impressive package and should scare the hell out of the strong competition in the segment, such as Ford’s Mondeo, Volkswagen’s Passat and Subaru’s Liberty/Outback.

Kudos must also be given to the local Holden engineering team, led by Mr Tassone. Taking a European-built car and adapting it to suit Australian conditions is no mean feat, and they have done an outstanding job.

So, isn’t it a joke that the deniers going over the info with a negative mind, say that the retuning article is fluff. These people are shown up as being fake, being charlatans.
 
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I have highlighted below a comment about v8 owners, and they can’t get over the loss of the v8

I've not lost mine, it's in my garage.

To each their own, but calling people who disagree with your view "a joke" is only going to end one way. Again.

EDIT: Oh and drawing quotes from one side does not proof make
https://www.whichcar.com.au/events/coty/holden-commodore-2019-car-of-the-year-review

"Former COTY heavyweight falls at first hurdle"

"The Commodore also delivers mainstream meat-and-two-veg technology. Innovation? Look elsewhere. Fuel efficiency across the range is no better than mediocre, although it scores solidly for safety."

"While the interior package in both liftback sedan and wagon is role-appropriate, cabin fit-out in the base LT is dreary."

"Good in places, not so great in others, the ZB range simply lacks the creativity and consistency COTY aims to reward."
 

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I've not lost mine, it's in my garage.

To each their own, but calling people who disagree with your view "a joke" is only going to end one way. Again.

EDIT: Oh and drawing quotes from one side does not proof make
https://www.whichcar.com.au/events/coty/holden-commodore-2019-car-of-the-year-review

"Former COTY heavyweight falls at first hurdle"

"The Commodore also delivers mainstream meat-and-two-veg technology. Innovation? Look elsewhere. Fuel efficiency across the range is no better than mediocre, although it scores solidly for safety."

"While the interior package in both liftback sedan and wagon is role-appropriate, cabin fit-out in the base LT is dreary."

"Good in places, not so great in others, the ZB range simply lacks the creativity and consistency COTY aims to reward."

Omg, this is in the absolute minority, this report . I own a ZB 4 , I know the economy, it is superb hovering between 7.4 and 8.4. There is a blogger there who raves about its economy. OMG, Badgerdog drove an LT 4 for seven weeks was able to compare it with I think a V8 ( his???) was unequivocally praising the ZB 4, ie a member here.
You’re a complete fake.
 

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"Good in places, not so great in others, the ZB range simply lacks the creativity and consistency COTY aims to reward."

The 4 cylinder gets praised for its light weight, but its still in excess of 1.5 tonnes...
 
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