VF SV6 advice

[Skylarking]

Back when they introduced 95 ULP, it used to have injector-cleaner stuff in it … anyone know if 95 or 98 still does?

Shell V-Power Unleaded 98. The premium fuel with the cleaning power to keep your engine running like new.

Fuel the feeling with Shell V-Power 98 | Shell Australia

Shell V-Power Unleaded 98. The premium fuel with the cleaning power to keep your engine running like new.

www.shell.com.au

Shell Unleaded 95 is specifically formulated for use in many imported and high performance vehicles which are designed to run exclusively on premium fuels with a minimum octane rating of 95.

Shell Unleaded 91 is designed by Shell experts to help prevent the build-up of deposits and help to maintain your engine’s efficiency.

So go figure, which is is the better? obtain rating aside, one fuel cleans and the other prevents buildup?

But with V-power 98 at 20c/l dearer than Unleaded 91, or $14 per tank for a commodore, in my mind the cheaper fuel with the occasional bottle of additive will probably clean to the same level…

 

[Forg]

But with V-power 98 at 20c/l dearer than Unleaded 91, or $14 per tank for a commodore, in my mind the cheaper fuel with the occasional bottle of additive will probably clean to the same level…

I don't cope so well with the feeling that something is borked, due to the reduced throttle-response on 91 ... feels like you've accidentally left your 3T horse-float attached to the tow-bar or something.

*edit*
Hey that makes me think ... I should suggest to the next horsey-person I meet that using 91 in their car would be a massive cost AND time saving for them, rather than going through all the rigmorole of having horses to achieve the same end result!!

 

[Skylarking]

I don't cope so well with the feeling that something is borked, due to the reduced throttle-response on 91 ...

Yeah can understand that but RON aside, will it make any difference in the engine cleanliness is the real question.

Or put another way are we being told porkies around cleanliness to justify the extortionate price of premium. If we look at the pic below and apply some simple maths, shouldn’t premium be 4 -5 c/l more expensive than unleaded today?

 

[Forg]

Yeah can understand that but RON aside, will it make any difference in the engine cleanliness is the real question.

Or put another way are we being told porkies around cleanliness to justify the extortionate price of premium. If we look at the pic below and apply some simple maths, shouldn’t premium be 4 -5 c/l more expensive than unleaded today?

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I have no doubt that, in the same way car retailers fiddle with the RRP of the different spec-levels to make a profit over the entire range rather than to make equal profit off each car sold, the fuel sellers fiddle with the RRP ... make 91 a tad cheaper to attract the masses, then because 91 is the bulk of fuel sold the PULP needs to be jacked-up 5x as much as the 91 was reduced ... and the people who willingly chose to buy a car that needs 95 or who willingly choose to pay extra to put 98 in will just keep paying.

 

[Skylarking]

I have no doubt that, in the same way car retailers fiddle with the RRP of the different spec-levels to make a profit over the entire range rather than to make equal profit off each car sold, the fuel sellers fiddle with the RRP ... make 91 a tad cheaper to attract the masses, then because 91 is the bulk of fuel sold the PULP needs to be jacked-up 5x as much as the 91 was reduced ... and the people who willingly chose to buy a car that needs 95 or who willingly choose to pay extra to put 98 in will just keep paying.

And add some market manipulation into the above scenario and we have our Australia’s fuel industry defined…

 

[RevNev]

Yeah can understand that but RON aside, will it make any difference in the engine cleanliness is the real question.

We had an FGX Falcon develop a cold start misfire at 44,000km's still under warranty and took it to a Ford dealer to check out.

The service advisor asked me what fuel we use, and I told him it's only ever run on BP Ultimate 98 from new.

He says, " Oh yeah, well the engine is supposed to use 91 octane fuel and the 98 has caused a carbon build up on the valves causing one to stick open when cold". Of course, it's not a warranty issue!

The issue was a broken valve spring we fixed ourselves with a set of Crow Cams springs.

 

[Skylarking]

He says, " Oh yeah, well the engine is supposed to use 91 octane fuel and the 98 has caused a carbon build up on the valves causing one to stick open when cold". Of course, it's not a warranty issue!

The issue was a broken valve spring we fixed ourselves with a set of Crow Cams springs.

Seriously, some dealer service advisors/managers/mechanics are so crooked I wonder how they can lie straight in bed

 

[RevNev]

Seriously, some dealer service advisors/managers/mechanics are so crooked I wonder how they can lie straight in bed

I'm just thinking of the ex-bra salesman we had as a service manager in the early '80's when I was a final year apprentice. Around that time, they had a trend to sell service instead of knowledge to fix cars. This bloke was a leading salesman for Hickory specialising in ladies bras, not that the product he sold was an issue, but he knew nothing about cars and then started to tell us how to fix them. He lasted about 6 months before they fired him costing them money losing customers. My first service manager spent most of his time in a dustcoat on the workshop floor doing problem jobs himself and make sure they're done properly, and the issue is fixed the first time.

 

[Forg]

I'm just thinking of the ex-bra salesman we had as a service manager in the early '80's when I was a final year apprentice. Around that time, they had a trend to sell service instead of knowledge to fix cars. This bloke was a leading salesman for Hickory specialising in ladies bras, not that the product he sold was an issue, but he knew nothing about cars and then started to tell us how to fix them. He lasted about 6 months before they fired him costing them money losing customers. My first service manager spent most of his time in a dustcoat on the workshop floor doing problem jobs himself and make sure they're done properly, and the issue is fixed the first time.

Yeah, I’m a ham-fisted monkey, not even a trained one, and it took me all of maybe 5 minutes to put the steering-column cover & the tailgate-striker cover back together properly after the Holden dealer replaced the steering-wheel & the tailgate switch under warranty. And at that time, they didn’t know that “repeat business” was going to stop being a Thing … nobody involved cared, the awful scraping of the steering-wheel whenever it was turned even slightly would’ve been detected by a deaf person due to the vibrations …

 

[Tay Nankervis]

With a healthy battery, the VF should fire up immediately — no sustained cranking, coughing or rough idling; premium unleaded fuel, from new, will also put a smack in the startup. 2014 is around the earliest VFs to come out and it would not be unreasonable to replace the battery as a precaution, rather than make assumptions of current and future serviceability. The car's management of battery and charging is impressive and can result in a very long battery service life, but much shorter if driving conditions do not favour the engine or the charging system (short trips, sluggish inner-city driving etc.).